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The modern automobile is safer, cleaner, more efficient, and more technologically advanced than anything that came before it. Yet those improvements have come at a cost. For many owners, mechanics, and independent repair shops, that cost is repairability.

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Interesting thing here; I drive a 2013 vehicle. Other than regular maintenance, the only repair it’s ever needed was a rear bumper replacement and a bit of bodywork when someone rear ended me at a stoplight.

Contrast this with vehicles from the 1950s-1990s where sure, you could affordably repair them yourself or at the local garage, BUT that was something that became a regular event after the vehicle was 4-5 years old.

Personally, I’m more concerned with how manufacturers are closing off sections of the software in their vehicles such that it can’t be audited, security reviewed, independently patched, or modified to prevent all the telematics from flowing back to them.

[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 16 points 55 minutes ago (1 children)

I still don't get how telemetry is even legal.

If I purchase a vehicle from a previous owner, I do not have any agreement with the manufacturer regarding collection of my data.

[–] Johanno@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 28 minutes ago (1 children)

You agree when you use the car.

At least that is the legal claim.

There is a disclaimer when you start the car.

[–] Changelin@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

What choice do consumers have, anyway? Return the car cause you don't agree with the disclaimer?

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 3 points 18 minutes ago

and then what are you gonna buy instead, a second hand car from the mid 90s before they all started adding telemetry modules.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 9 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

Yeah this.

Cars are storing so much data that the auto manufacturers were using "mechanics having access to all your telemetry data" as one of their big reasons people should vote against Right-to-Repair in MA.

Nobody really questioned what kind of data the cars store, or for how long. Nobody cared that this implied dealer mechanics already have access to all that data, and for some reason we are supposed to trust dealer mechanics with that data more than independents and shadetrees, or even ourselves?

No matter, the propaganda must've worked because the ballot initiative failed.

Moral of the story, listen to what people don't say. It's often more important.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 5 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)

Improved reliability is, ironically a major cause of this problem.

Buyers of brand new cars in the USA keep them for fewer than ten years on average. If most cars can go ten years without needing major repairs, the car manufacturer's actual customer is not strongly motivated to consider repairability in buying decisions. The second or third owner likely cares a lot, but their preferences don't matter very much to manufacturers.

[–] Changelin@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 22 minutes ago

You can say that again.

[–] 404found@lemmy.zip 2 points 19 minutes ago

My Truck will kick me off Apple Car play so it can send its data to Ford. The infotainment center is too weak to process both and my connection just crashes. I'm not mad though. I'm actually happy Ford is able to get the data the need at my expense. This is how it should be.

[–] DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 minutes ago

TBF, almost nobody who buys a BMW has ever even opened their hood. 😉