Why not just order this one on any online milling service?
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do people know you can pay for custom pieces
Like, if a door knocker is that important to you, like an upper-middle class 19th century homeowner, you can just... pay 500$ or so for a nice one. I promise you that the 19th century homeowner paid much more for their's, adjusted for inflation.
Would it have been a custom piece in the 19th century though? They would have been in demand enough that it seems reasonable that they could have been hand-made in enough bulk to make them better priced than getting it made fully custom now.
it's not like there was an economy of scale to speak of, the ones in demand were likely the equivalent of $500 today. a door knocker is still purely a luxury item.
There kind of was
There would have been hundreds of people in the community who spent their lives doing metal working and casting
Nowadays for a vision job like that’s you’ll have to find one of a handful of specialists in your area.
Same with glass blowing and other artisanal work.
And good chance this knocker was made from a mold.
can't make a model like that with a solid mold. it's too far from a convex hull. you need to sand-cast it, cut off the pouring channels, then polish up the rough surfaces. then you need to heat up the knocker part in order to bend it into shape in the mouth. even if you cast multiple heads at once that's several days of highly skilled work per product. that doesn't come cheap.
You can simplify this and eliminate the forging by just casting more parts and assembling them. From looking at it I thought the teeth were removable and the fastener is hidden by the beard but other similar cast knockers seem to just make the ring out of two parts. https://www.chairish.com/product/14868315/antique-satyr-face-wram-horns-iron-door-knocker
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They did have an economy of scale at least to a degree. Manufacturies were lousy in much of Europe by the high medieval to late age of sail depending on region, and the Portuguese spread said manufacturing techniques as far as India.
Were peasants buying luxury door knockers? You are probably only seeing this because its good enough to have survived. The rich would have been able to pay for it but the rest of us it just doesn't make sense to.
But today, you can get some fairly nice looking ones for under £50. Not sure if the style goes well with modern PVC doors though.
Peasants? No. Freeman and traders? Maybe. It heavily depended on region and time, but for example in my area of SoCal you see brass works of roughly similar quality from the Victorian period floating about in quantities that don't make sense unless they were available to at least the upper lower class.
Would it have been a custom piece now? Granted, I didn't find an exact match, but there are some damn similar ones on Aliexpress for like $40.
Generally, high-quality pieces would have been made by artisans (and thus usually custom), not factory-made. The high demand meant that the skills to make these pieces were more commonly pursued by woodworkers, thus making a larger labor pool (and so, cheaper labor), but the technology available and higher price of resources means that it would have required more expense in the form of materials and more man-hours to create the product.
Is "useless" a bad word now too?
it's gotta be rage bait at this point
Yes. In hustle culture useless is basically a slur. God forbid you can't be used for anything.
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I like the right one better.
Why is the latest trend on the global information sharing network to nonsensically obfuscate the information that you want to share?
I ~~fucking~~ ~~hate~~ this ~~shit.~~
Careful! You don't want to offend the advertisers!
I would be shocked if simple door knockers weren't common side-by-side with the ornate door knockers throughout history. But being simpler and of a lower quality, they would neither be as notable nor endure until today.
They want the AI to create the left one, then blame artists for the right one.
The reason behind the change is industrialization. The right one is just a regular handle with wider appeal, the left one needs more specialized equipment and is only applicable to people wanting that style of handle, not a handle of function.
My take is that capitalism is the cause.
Hard to justify buying the nicer door knocker when you don't even own the house you are renting.
Why are we censoring usernames
It is weird internet compulsion people have. "Oh no I better protect the identity of this person who posted a public comment on a public platform."
The internet identity, even
What about censoring useless?
Why are people censoring at all?!
How about in neither willing not capable to pay a few k for a fucking door knob just for it to be custom made and beautiful.
This dip shit is comparing what would nowadays be Trumps or Musks door.
How about we create a world in which you didn't need a degree for beautiful things to be created?
I don't know why I find this so infuriating to me, it feels soo wrong on so many levels.
One reason Trump is hated by the New York elite is that when he put up Trump Tower he completely demolished the building that was already there. He repeatedly promised to preserve the iconic façade, but then claimed it was 'too expensive.'
Because it is.
That being said new art (on french, can't spell) was a time where regular people had that wealth. But brutalism etc. took it away.
Also the was little craft in mass produced ornaments.
Incentives are what killed it
"Show me your incentives and I'll tell you the outcomes"
Modernism and brutalism are both solving an economic problem. It's to make a building as "occupiable" as possible. It has no soul or defining features for someone to hate, so it appeals maximally to as many people as possible. It also saves a lot on labour, maintenance, and material costs when designing and constructing a new build.
Also, who the hell cares about the next tenant? They aren't paying the construction bill, and they're going to buy it at the price I want anyways because this building is modernist/brutalist and is as fungible as possible.
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Even if it wasn't called a degree as such, artisans had to study under masters for years to learn the craft.
But aren't people with art degrees the ones designing the new sterile, soulless things?
No that’s the industrial designer who only gets a budget to make it functional and mass producible.
We're censoring "useless" now?
Censoring causes engagement.
How many of those art degree holders could even design such a knocker today? This is way different from just producing Rorschach images or clumping-together-random-stuff "sculptures".
Zbrush and a 3d printer could fix that. But you would need something heavy on the ring bottom to knock properly.
Or add a sensor to detect movement and inform your homeassistant.
Art naturally proliferates as people have more free time. Right now we’re all overworked and overstressed, so much less art happens.
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we keep moving the craft of being human into that of being technology
Having an art degree does not make one an artist.
Not saying that art degrees are useless, just that they don't inherently result in any art being created.
I hate that minimalist designs aren't acknowledged as artistic.
In my opinion, it is no different than the ai idiots who think all art needs to be hyperrealistic; That good art is hyperrealistic.
When you alnost can't have anything but 'minimalism' (not sure if most of the things that you can get count as minimalist and not just extremely utilitarian) it kind of destroys the feeling.
(not sure if most of the things that you can get count as minimalist and not just extremely utilitarian)
Definitely utilitarian. Stuff that's actually minimalist requires thoughtful design and precision construction and is therefore actually pretty fucking expensive.
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There's a beauty in simplicity
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