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It’s leisure time - I don’t see the need to rebrand it with the weirdly technical “third spaces” term. Kids being creative with the time and means they have available.
It’s fun to see what they can do when you don’t monitor and try to control every aspect of their lives.
Bring back unsupervised third spaces that you don’t tell your parents about.
That’s where you build character.
And find porn.
And burn things. And explode things.
And do sick jumps on your bike
Also hurt yourself and others
Yes that is an important lesson.
This, but unironically
This is a boomer-ass take, but knowing how to deal with a situation where you or someone else gets hurt is a really important skill and reading about it can only get you so far
It's not so much the getting hurt itself that needs to happen, but being put in situations where you could get hurt so that you learn to evaluate risk.
I would also really like to see a governmental permit office that distributes permit numbers on demand which can be used for age verification without revealing ANY information about the person verifying to ANY private entities.
I want to see this in a bunch of countries.
Corporate ran the numbers and discovered maintaining a lobby costs more than the revenue a lobby generates from customers who stay for hours while only ordering a thing or two. They've come up with a plan to push those numbers higher by removing the power outlets from the lobby, forcing those customers to leave so we can flip those seats faster.
But where will I park my car and how will those places make money, that's America today
Which means what?
A first space refers to the place you live.
A second space is where you spend most of your time that is not at home, like work or school.
A third space is everything else. Shops, restaurants, parks, etc.
The issue that young people are facing is that there isn't really anywhere they can exist that isnt at home or school. Communal spaces where young people are allowed to spend time, especially places where there isnt an expectation to spend money constantly have been eroding away over the past 30 years.
It's not a coincidence why most pre-2000 teenager-focused media has the mall as a main setting
Thanks for the explanation. Is a second space a space you're obligated to be, like work/school, or just anywhere you spend most of your time regardless?
in sociology it's home = first place, and workplace = second place, but Ray Oldenburg calls second place anywhere you spend most of the time when you're awake
Thank you for that detail
Parks, libraries, community centers, free museums, beaches, etc.
A lot of those places ban unaccompanied minors.
Exactly the problem.
I'm guessing home is first space, work/school is second. Anywhere else is third?
Yeah, but a good third space doesn't expect you to spend money. And obvs still allows you to be there.
It can certainly offer you the opportunity to spend money, but it doesn't have to make money from every person.
Card shops are sometimes an example. Church. Coffee shops (but who hangs out there?)
Walkable villages would help a lot. Car brain is hurting our kids and teenagers.
Coffee shops (but who hangs out there?)
Growing up during the Starbucks boom, coffee shops were absolutely a place to hang out after school. There was probably one a short walk or drive from school, and for less than $5 you could grab a sugary drink or a pastry and hang out in a comfortable indoor space with a few friends. Heck, one of your friends probably worked there. It worked great for high schoolers because there wasn't any alcohol (so minors could be there), you didn't have to be as quiet as a library, and you could head there regardless of the weather. COVID has probably changed a lot of that as coffee shops focus more on drive throughs and mobile orders, not to mention inflation.
yea, that’s pretty much it. third spaces include stuff like bars, public libraries, parks, public squares… basically, places where you can socialize outside of work.
they still exist, obviously, but many of them have disappeared over the years, especially the ones that don’t expect you to pay. it’s even worse in suburbs, especially car-dependent suburbs, because those are zoned as housing only (so no libraries, bars, sometimes not even a park), and if you’re a kid you can’t drive to a city, so outside of school (and maybe extracurricular activities, if your parents can afford those), you’re stuck at home where the only place you can socialize is the internet.
What third space did we used to have as kids that we no longer have?
Malls, Chuck-E-Cheese, walkable neighborhoods and main streets, a lot of diners and such have been shut down in the past half century. Cities have kind of restructured around increased industry and productivity.
Parks are making a comeback, though, I hear.
You forgot construction sites, drainage gullies, and random patches of forest.
Oh, and the middle of corn fields. That’s where Amish kids would go to party in my day. They had the best weed.
Parks aren't even always useful, as they require driving to. And worst of all, most cities dictate only allow park use during daylight hours because they want to keep the homeless away.
Here in Portland, I'm not sure that the city and suburbs were any more walkable in the past than they are today.
Outside
Outside still exists...
For kids growing up in car-dependent suburbia, outside does not exist. If you can't drive, you're trapped in your home, unless you want to just for for a walk among endless identical winding cookie cutter streets.
Where is a kid in suburbia supposed to go that's actually within walking distance? I suppose they could just hang out on the street. But homeowners seeing a group of teen loitering on the sidewalk in front of their home will call the cops. Hell, sometimes just walking around is enough to get a group of teens harassed by police.
Not really. Most kids today can't just go outside with all their friends and come back when the streetlights turn on like we did as kids.
Not really.
I'm old enough to remember when grade school kids could get on a bus or subway alone without anyone saying anything.
If you made 'Stand By Me' today all the parents would be locked up for child endangerment.
Sure... but it's not so much that places have changed, but that parenting has.
I mean, if you can't just show up, than the places have changed.
Outside™: now with more extreme heat watches and smoke advisories!
Is lemmy hooked up to the algorithm? I just saw this post 2 minutes after first hearing that term "third spaces" on Spotify
