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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nobody in politics really cares for voters. They just tell convenient lies, and once you dropped your vote into the ballot box, you stop to exist for them again. You are just the annoying necessary means to lift them up to the pork barrels of political bribery.

[–] sanitation@lemmy.today 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have some action plan to fight that?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

For the US, this would require removing companies from political actions, and channeling private political donations to a neutral handler that limits those to a certain maximum amount.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 170 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The superrich own the media.

And the politicians.

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Question answered. No further comments needed. Part of growing up is realizing the "democracy" we live in is just a mask for fascism.

[–] Orioniae@piefed.social 1 points 15 hours ago

A good chunk of current democracies are actually open market oligarchies.

[–] Fishnoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

And they also run fake competitions where they promise to give a million dollars to people for voting a certain way, but really the winners were predetermined the whole time...

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago
[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 24 points 2 days ago

Because they don't own the means of production, and the opposition has a monopoly on violence.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Over 70% of voters want universal healthcare. About the same amount want a higher minimum wage.

About 90% of Democratic voters want universal healthcare, more than half of all independents want the same thing, and even a huge amount of Republicans want universal healthcare (around 40%).

Even so, D&Rs can't be bothered.

(yes yes, I know, BoTh SiDeS so I must be a secret Nazi bot, etc. you got me)

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because the rich bribe our politicians. Legally.

[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago

We REALLY need to normalize demystifying the rebrand of bribery as 'lobbying'. There's a reason that term has power, cause people alreayd learned the dangers of it, and the corruption it breeds.

[–] drdalek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Long article to say "the rich are in charge"

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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Because America was founded with a bunch of horse sniffing half-literates for a general populous and the only thing that's really changed is the number of horses to sniff.

[–] adarza@piefed.ca 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

i know this is a link to that other site, but this old post has a link to the full essay as published in 1980.

https://old.reddit.com/r/asimov/comments/6616rh/a_cult_of_ignorance_by_isaac_asimov_1980_via_pdf/

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Why not just link to the essay

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've used this quote a lot over the years. One of the far right posters liked to "retort" by saying it's better than being a pseudointellectual (directed at me), LOL!

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nice to get immediate confirmation of the validity of the quote.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

💯

Yup. To the conservative mindset, the notion of having aspiration to bettering oneself, etc. == "pseudointellectual". I cannot tell you how many conversations I've had from people that did not go to college and did not plan to go to college about how all those "college people" are. Also, calling someone an "intellectual" is considered an insult among conservatives. Calling them a pseudointellectual is spicing it up, LOL.

I still remember a conversation with an in-law where his literal mic-drop line (he thought) was to huff, "yeah, but YOU went to college!" He literally believes that going to college somehow taints a person. He has said as much, explicitly. He doesn't want his kids going to college, either, because he thinks it will ruin them/turn them against him or whatever, with the "woke mind virus". FFS.

Title should be: ruling class makes it as difficult as possible for the rest to tax them

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Blue-state Democrats are in a bind. They support a more equitable tax system, but fear, with some justification, that they and their party will be blamed if higher state taxes cause their wealthiest residents and their state economies to “head south,” literally and figuratively.

They say "with some justification," but what is that justification? Is there evidence that higher taxes causes wealthy residents to leave AND that that has negative consequences for the broader economy?

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Just like all the billionaires in NYC that fled when Mamdani took office? All 0 of them?

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Yeah, this feels like a made up reason (it is). What working-class voters do they think are going to be like "boy, you know who I miss? The billionaire who used to live up the bloc!"

If you leave a state/city because they raised taxes, it stands to reason that the reason you were there in the first place was because they had lower taxes. It doesn't matter how much private wealth you have, you leaving or staying has very little impact on the people who live in a low-tax area. This is very basic logic

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[–] NM_Gringo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So what if the rich leave? They're not paying taxes, who needs them? The need for vendors and contractors doesn't go away when the wealthy leave. The economy goes on. Someone will take their place and pay taxes and not bitch about it so much.

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[–] garbage_world@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Because the rich are extremely resistant to taxation.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Because 90% think they're in the top 10%, and the top 10% think they're all 1 step from being the next musk.

They're all deluded be capitalism.

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

the question answers itself.

[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This basically sums it up. https://youtu.be/sYA-z0Y8WRQ?is=kw_NGc3gLO-d4Onl

What the bottom 99% want is irrelevant. We don't run this country or make its decisions. We are just cogs in a machine that exists to serve the rich and convince the poor that they're in some magical land of freedom. None of us are free.

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[–] SalamiDommie@lemmus.org 3 points 2 days ago

Because they're using some of their money to keep us from holding them accountable? And that they have probably run the numbers to find that it is cheaper to do this than to just... Pay the taxes.

[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Some things that would help:

  • A wealth tax. Their wealth will continue to grow exponentially, but at least a portion of it could be harvested to reduce the deficit.
  • Taxing capital gains the same as ordinary income. Making money from investments requires no effort, and it blows my mind that wage income is taxed more heavily.
[–] MrGeneric@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trying to get exact numbers for wealth to tax it is near impossible especially in ultra wealthy areas with their own ways of hiding it Anyone who suggests touching capital gains will be accused of attacking peoples retirement at least in the US 401ks have replaced most other forms of retirement benefits

Im surprised there aren’t more Georgists in this day and age when we have so much bogarted land and empty luxury apartments

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Probably because the foundation of georgism became fundamentally irrelevant with the invention of the microprocessor.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

Summary since the Access top this page has been denied:

Most Americans support higher taxes on billionaires due to concerns about inequality and concentrated wealth, yet federal and state efforts to implement such taxes have largely stalled because of political influence, legal complexity, and fears of capital flight (wealthy moving their money outside the US).

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

This is definitely not a real question

...but I'll answer it anyways

The answer is because the rich make the laws.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 5 points 2 days ago

Because voters have little to no say in the matter.

[–] Golfnbrew@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

That and half of the people who actually show up to vote, vote for republicans, who are against taxing their buddies, donors, etc.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

How is this a real question

[–] artyom@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago

Because voters don't vote accordingly.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is this actually a legitimate question they're asking?

It's the most obvious answer on earth. The people making the laws don't work for the voters anymore. They vote for the donors.

[–] rhymeswithduck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It can be more complicated than that. My governor just signed into law a state income tax on anyone making a million or more. (We have no other income tax, everyone pays a regressive sales tax.) All the poorest people in the state are mad and they are collecting signatures to repeal the millionaire tax, because they think this new income tax will "trickle down" to anyone making $100k or less. They are absolutely convinced of this, even though new laws would have to be passed for that to happen. And this is a blue state.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Are they actually all the poorest people in the state, or are we talking like a doordash grandma situation where they hire some people to dress up like regular working class folk for an afternoon?

[–] squidie@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

Well the politicians are rich and don't like hurting themselves. And they like earning money or getting richer.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Probably for the same reason that rejecting insider trading by politicians is popular. Or worker protections. Or single payer healthcare.

I seem to remember Cenk from TYT showing polls that Americans tend to poll progressive on the issues. Somehow, all the things that are popular don't get passed, though, hmmmmm...

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