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[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 2 months ago (4 children)

They are also absolutely floating in oil wealth.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 80 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

All the other scandinavian countries that don't swim in fossil fuel wealth are still doing pretty well, though. Also, lots of countries that are rich in natural resources don't actually let the majority of their population participate in that wealth.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 2 months ago

Oh yeah, good on them for managing their oil wealth in a way that benefits their society.

They could also have been like the UAE. Or the US.

[–] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lag@piefed.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The US citizens are definitely not oil wealthy.

[–] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That's my point. America actually has roughly 10 times as much oil as Norway, but in Norway everyone benefits from the oil rather than just a handful of mega-rich oil barons.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago

Won’t someone think of the ~~billionaires~~ trillionaires!

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago

USA also has about 60 times as many people as Norway. The USA certainly has an above-average amount of natural resources per capita, but it's not quite "swimming in oil"-level.

[–] Lag@piefed.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That definitely ain't right.

[–] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh wow, I knew Venezuela was rich in oil, but damn!

[–] Womble@piefed.world 8 points 2 months ago

IIRC Venezuela's oil is both a bit shit, and hard to get at but they have huge amounts. That's why they're not as rich as UAE

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago

Honestly, it's incredible that it took the US so long to invade them.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Norway is a stupid example. Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland easily have the same level of welfare or arguably better than Norway in many regards. The key is to make public investments into the country's resources (be it farmland, forestry, mines, electricity) and build infrastructure and institutions that benefit the people.

By investing directly, you are doing the thinking instead of deferring judgement to bankers and the "invisible hand" that's really just a bunch of rich dudes with their own incentives that don't align with yours. You cut out billionaire middlemen and money doesn't have to "trickle down", and you can steer the behavior of your industries and universities toward causes that take your country's needs over time into account.

That's how good investors think about their business empires - why should countries choose to not strategize at all and just let nature do its thing?

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Finland

We're currently suffering from the nazis-in-government disease. Of course social services are still better than in, say, the US, but we had a decisive downwards trend in the past 2 years. Plus scandals. TBH I don't think they'll get re-elected.

And I'm sure many Swedes and Danes would have something similar to say about their own government. Maybe even Norwegians? Idk. My point, "socialist" Nordic countries are not immune from the scurge.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 3 points 2 months ago

Absolutely. I can only speak for Sweden but we have massive problems.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

True, and worth a reminder. But they choose to do, well, social things with it*. In addition to more "normal" social welfare stuff they give money to people who live in the very North, just for living in the North.

They also have so many waterfalls that all their electricity is hydro, and they have too much of it.

They tried to sell it cheaply to the EU some decades ago but of course our energy lobby blocked it.

* also cultural etc. etc. Like another commenter said: they choose to let their people participate in it

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 41 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Recently my lead hypothesis is that many people would rather personally suffer and die if it means that black people have it worse. I read "dying of whiteness" recently, and it's haunting. "It's socialism" is just a coded way of expressing that.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Drained-pool politics.

TLDR: Whites in some parts of America drained public pools rather than integrate them. They should rather no one have a public pool than have to share it with black people.

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Broadly, humans are happier when they have more than their neighbors. Having the biggest house in the neighborhood strongly correlates with increased happiness. Having a McMansion in a neighborhood full of other McMansions leaves people no happier, on average, than having an average mobilehome in a mobile home park. (Free public radio audio coverage, links to Washington Post text article: https://www.marketplace.org/story/2026/01/13/why-larger-homes-dont-lead-to-more-happiness)

In the US, having black people be "the ones with less" that makes people of other races get that "better than my neighbor" happiness boost is structurally convenient, but other groups fill that need in other cultures. Jews and communists are other common targets in Western cultures, all non-Japanese get the treatment in Japan, the Tutsis in Rwanda, the eastern ethnic groups in Russia, and on and on. This hugely common psychological tendency is damaging to creating broadly prosperous societies, but hopefully the learnings from the studies of it will help us create strategies to structurally counteract it.

[–] artwork@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

I am sorry, but this is so strange to read and realize how different some people worldviews are...

Due to the job requirements, I travel a lot, and though I've been just for 2 months in USA accumulated, in Europe and Asia, I've met just two people with similar worldviews in around 14 years of travelling...

Everyone else I know, and I, would just not care about the color or race, or be fascinated how unique people are, and would never even be so awful towards these people to the point of being basic horrible, sorrowful racists... as you described... but just default to the understanding and believe that people were born around the world whenever they could, inheriting the local inheritance, traditions, culture, and family, and they are still people with infinitely magnificent Souls and equal rights to live and just be... human...
They would trust in people, and that it's always possible to find compromise with each other, explaining issues and finding solutions.
That is, to be humans, and trust in human, as an ineffably magnificent opportunity to be alive... and explore the infinite world...

Sorry. No... Yours is absolutely not, even remotely not the way to see and live the world... I believe, and never will. Your worldviews are utterly... sorrowful, unfair, hateful, dark, and simply, sorry, disgusting...

It's darkening to know that you live with these believes out there... and I would recommend you travelling... Please do consider discovering the world out there... to live...

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Are you trying to say acclaimed book "Dying of Whiteness" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_of_Whiteness ) is invalid because of your personal experiences?

I'm sorry but there's a large body of evidence that many people in the US are deeply racist. Not always in a "wear a hooded costume" overt way, but in more polite and dressed up to look inoffensive ways as well.

You can also read the new Jim Crow and "the color of law".

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[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

My (millionaire boomer) Uncle from Mexico recently shared this (sorry for quick translation using gemini). There are brainwashed people everywhere

[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

This unfortunately, some people are too far gone

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 3 points 2 months ago

Gotta love that Axolotl.

I see small kids with plushie axolotls these days. For some reason this animal has entered the headcanon of preschoolers around the world.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In the US, we are under a massive oligarch-owned far-right propaganda machine that dominates social media and television viewership.

It works so well that rich people in other countries are trying to adopt the same model as a means of popular control.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh shit. I don't know why that hadn't occurred to me before 😂

Our cultural imperialism is exporting rebellion and the destruction of civilization.

Damn, that whole great American satan thing hits different.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Who do you think spread fascism all over the planet and killed countless leftists in the process.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If socialism "never works" I'd say it's in the same boat as democracy.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Social democracy managing capitalism is rather Nice. Freedom of making profits while providing a strong social net.

Or rather capitalism whithin a social democracy. Population shoulf dictate the rules

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

That tattooed walrus moron has always repulsed me on a visceral level.

[–] Ravenheart@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

To admit that other countries do better would be to violate the dogma of American exceptionalism. It would be to offend the fragile egos of the most brainlessly egotistical among us. And I guess ultimately they think their feelings matter more than their own wellbeing.

[–] vepr_jako_pepr@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Its not the welfare policies its the tentacles in the global south and the violence that keeps that in place

[–] vepr_jako_pepr@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

I think kind people should push for regional economic independance or at least verification of its viability and acknowledgement that they are working their fair share.

Then one can be sure that at least from your point of view, the exploited worldwide are free to choose their own fate, and you are not a leech.

Economic independence is a useful tool, in that when one is economically independant, it can also be determined for certain that any external law or force is unjust and not a component of livelyhood.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Aren't they both dead now?

[–] Ediacarium@feddit.org 36 points 2 months ago

No, Norway and America still exist

[–] skvlp@lemmy.wtf 8 points 2 months ago

They’re either both alive, or nobody cares enough to update their pages.

[–] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

This meme is old enough to drive now.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Senior now runs a restaurant + chopper museum. The guy wanted to run it like a proper business, but without the specials it wasn't running that well. Junior now has his own design studio.

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[–] xxxb@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago

This is so true not just for Americans. Norway is such an amazing country.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Half the time I have this argument IRL, they go mask-off and say it's because of race.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

Very telling of the truth.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

It's more like 30%, the rest of us would gladly take a standard of living boost. But FoX News, OANN and every other disinformation factory have brain washed a lot of people.

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