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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Yes. Yes, racists are retarded. There is no logical reason to harbour discrimination towards any ethnic group or rage of Humans. Therefore, those who do aren't logical or rational individuals.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Why should I be bigoted over skin color when I can be bigoted over culture and religion. After all I have met good folks of many ethnic and racial groups, I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn't want to feed to the Joshua Trees.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I can be bigoted over culture and religion

I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn’t want to feed to the Joshua Trees.

I'm always thrown back to the Southpark guys when I think about lay Mormons. The whole "All About Mormons" episode (nevermind the Book of Mormon stage play) absolutely eviscerates the philosophy. But their attitude to actual religious practitioners is inevitably that they're just nice, simple-minded people. And going after any individual Mormon for their faith is a bit like going up to Santa Claus exhibit at the mall and screaming "Fake! Fake! It's all bullshit consumerism! Your parents are buying the presents!"

There's definitely shit people who are Mormon (Mitt Romney being the ur-example). But then there's shit people in every religious and philosophical niche. My cousin is married to a practicing Mormon and he's an absolute marshmallow sweetheart. All smiles, great with kids, quick to help anyway he can. Soft spoken, non-judgemental, a shameless teatoddler who is always happy to be the designated driver. You can raz him for being a bit bland and he'll laugh at your jokes, then maybe tease you about having had one too many coffees.

It's the people who are easy to bully and scare and intimidate that can make for a very dangerous "Silent Majority", because they'll just kinda go along to get along. But they're also fundamental to a peaceful, productive, and happy society when benevolent and visionary leaders are at the helm. If your society is all contrarian, belligerent, hard-drinking, fist-clenching, radical revolutionary/reactionary agitprop breathing soldiers of fortune, what you get is just endless fighting and misery and slaughter.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Ya do realize I have more reason to hate Utah Mormons than just they're different right? I specifically focus on the Utahn culture and religious practices of Mormons because I see them as an active threat to basically every western state. If I could get away with just purging BYU, LDS HQ, and the Utahn government I'd be more than happy to settle for that, I just severely doubt that would end my complaints.

If it makes it any more understandable I am far less forgiving towards Evangelical mega churches, which all I can think is that there are only viable targets for such groups.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A lot of the individuals aren't in there entirely of their own will though. Particularly with BYU, the institution itself is a cancer, but the individual students are really not at fault (at least certainly not all of them). The university portrays itself very differently than it actually is, and you effectively cannot leave the mormon church while you attend (unless you want to get kicked out and have all your time there completely wasted).

Which is why I would simply loot and distribute whatever is usable IE lab equipment, research papers, et cetera and then burn down the facility with at least some of the faculty within. My end goal would be to destroy the social control mechanism that the Mormon church uses, if there is no Mormon universities then they have to send them to at minimum a non Mormon one. My point is to do enough infrastructural damage that the Mormon church either dies, loses control, or becomes more moderate.

Mind you I'm mostly focused on the fancy showy shit, pretty hard to be a bloodthirsty jackass when talking about seizing assets and outlawing church owned companies, portfolios, and putting a cap on tithes. Most of the damage that one could do is to break them outside of Utah, but you also need to strike the Utah shit as well to prevent them from going insular bunker mode again and having to do the same thing yet again in 100 years.

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[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 126 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

There are a few forms or levels of racism. There are people who really believe the narrative, some who question some of it, and others who are aware it's bullshit but accept it because it benefits them or going against the narrative could be harmful for themselves. In short humans will craft whatever story they need to justify behavior they want without any concerns for logical consistency. You can see this behavior in racism now and of course many other aspects of society and human behavior. Humans are storytellers, more so than logical beings.

Funny enough Benjamin Franklin has a short story on this. He as a vegetarian was lamenting his compatriots catching, killing, and cooking fish, listing all the reasons it's immoral until he begins to smell the delicious fish and then starts writing about how maybe it's not so bad, is fine, is even his god given right to eat the fish. The moral being humans can and will justify whatever they want to do. Also I'm aware of his own connection to slavery and inhumane practices.

[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (16 children)

And so the billionaires win again as we fight to justify not being assholes to one another.

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago

Those in power want to maintain power which is much easier if the people are divided, particularly on subjects not involving the people in power.

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[–] Forester@pawb.social 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, mind you it's been over two decades probably but the defining point at which he decides it's okay to eat the fish is when he notices that the fish had been eating other fish when they fillayed it

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[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 79 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"You don't understand; my house ****** is one of the good ones."

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 4 days ago

Bigotry isn't a reasonable position, so it's pretty expected to find contradictions and brain dead takes from bigots

[–] VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm not a historian but I believe the sad truth is that they saw them like animals; capable of being trained to do jobs but not smart enough to understand more complex issues or choose the tasks themselves

Like a dog. You can train your dog to guard your house or hunt birds but you probably don't trust your dog to vote

It's fucked up

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I've seen how people vote. I'd take the chances with the dogs, so maybe a bad example. I feel like they might be able to better know who's a piece of shit than most humans can.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

One Sunday morning I walked out into my ex's open garage and sitting in there was a stray dog. Her neck fur had a mark as though someone recently pulled off her collar and dumped her on the back road. I calmly approached the dog and turns out she was the sweetest doggo and instantly got along with my ex's other 2 dogs. She rarely barked and would always just walk up to someone, sit and wait to get petted. Even the ex's dad who doesn't like dogs eventually warmed up to her because of how sweet she was.

Weeks later we took her to an event downtown on an unseasonably hot fall afternoon beer fest. That dog wanted nothing more than to just get pet by as many people as possible. Outside the front door of a brewery was a worker sitting in a chair almost drenched in sweat looking like he hated life. She walked up to him, sat down and looked at him, and he instantly smiled.

Working one of the beer tents was an interim director of HR from my job who was one of the most miserable shit-birds I ever had the displeasure to work with. She did nothing but complain about everything and everyone, blindly blamed everyone for things she simply didn't understand, I even nearly got written up because this lady didn't take the time to read my explanation about an error report when new employees are loaded into a benefits system. Even the sweetest dog wanted nothing to do with that miserable fuck.

I'll trust the dogs to be a better judge of character than half the mouthbreathers who vote at the polls.

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[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And yet you keep defending Elmo's nazi salute...

What is actually rattling around inside that head of yours?

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[–] whereitsat@lemmy.zip 44 points 4 days ago

they are though.

anyone who grew up in the american suburbs grew up with parents who couldn't cook a proper meal despite the existence of cookbooks and were like 'how about kraft dinner.'

you think you eat kraft macaroni and cheese at a hood bbq?

i'd rather have had a black woman cooking for me lol. are you fucking serious?

[–] czer0_@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago
[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

What a silly question, of course they are

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Always have been.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

OP should watch Django

[–] deepvertic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I don't disagree with the sentiment, however this is a strawman argument. I don't see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.

I do. Racism is in direct conflict with Empathy and Empathy can be biologically explained by Mirror Neurons, which influences how learning works. At least the Learning by Example type of education.

[–] elaina@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is empathy a form of intelligence?

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think I explained what I thought well enough. Both Empathy and "Learning by Example" are tied to Mirror Neurons. In short, assholes tend to be very dumb. At least in my experience.

[–] elaina@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

thank you for the explanation

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.

Increasingly byzantine rationalizations for why you're an asshole used to be the centerpiece of conservative intellectualism. You could get a PhD in racism if you worked hard enough. The SCOTUS and the appellate courts are packed with people who can tie an argument in knots to justify some new level of human misery. The Pentagon and its contracting affiliates are stuffed with top tier engineers and logistical savants and IT professionals fully inducted into the white supremacist worldview.

Some of the most impressive feats of social engineering have occurred in order to perpetuate social anxiety between ethnic groups.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It's a product of lazy thinking.

Instead of evaluating people on an individual basis it's categorizing them based on some physical trait. That has nothing to do with their behavior or personality.

This is why bigotry is the game of the lazy thinkers.

Lazy thinkers are not intelligent because to foster intelligence one must delve into things. Consider things. Contemplate how things work.

Not just accept crude rules because it's easy.

This trait is called. Need for cognition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_cognition

It's highly correlated with intelligence.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (12 children)

It's obviously not a strict one-to-one relationship but I do think more intelligent people are on average slightly less racist.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I think the issue is we don't really have a measurement for intelligence. Qualitatively, I think you are more intelligent if you have the reasoning capabilities to logic yourself out of reactionary feelings like racism, but it's really hard to measure that.

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[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 12 points 4 days ago

Yes, and also, I don't think they liked their children that much

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

(Serious)

A racist is what happens when someone runs out of neural plasticity due to conditioning from a young age. They aren’t interested in your opinion because their brains have no space left for anything but bigotry. That means a condition where new synaptic connections between neurons can no longer form due to preexisting crystallised connections occupying the same volume. They literally can’t change their mind without tearing something down first.

There is a literal forbidden metabolic cost to changing how they think, and since bigotry is embedded as a core value, taking that out is impossible without tearing them down and building them back up from a ground state.

You’ll find echoes of this same phenomenon in all walks of life. Religious fundamentalists/zealots/extremists of any religion exhibit this, and also “militant” atheists. It also applies to ideology. Communist vs Capitalist vs Socialist. We’re all blends of beliefs that want to be known.

I’m going to be downvoted hard for this, but you’ll know the type.

Note if you’re wondering: I am Muslim and I practice my faith. So long it harms and obstructs no one, practicing and taking pride in your faith (or lackthereof) is a healthy expression of freedom, my views are my own opinions and I welcome dialogue in place of a meaningless downvote.

Edit to preempt the criticism about how unscientific this sounds: here is the scientific version of this argument

[–] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (24 children)

This kinda has bro science vibes. We don't have nearly enough of an understanding of the brain to make statements like this.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I kinda feel it does make sense, though perhaps not so strongly as the parent indicated. Young brains are more malleable - that's pretty much a known thing - and learning at a young age sets in high knowledge and patterns of learning that follow us through adulthood.

If one learns a certain thing from a young age and it's pretty much been driven in multiple ways - indoctrination whether intentional or otherwise - that's a lot of stuff that's been set pretty hard. Even it somebody is actively aware it's bad it can be hard to adjust one's inclination towards a certain way of thinking.

I'm not trying to make excuses for racism - because frankly a lot of those people don't even try to adjust their thinking - but breaking free from one's upbringing is not a small hurdle and I'd put it in similar terms to breaking a bad addiction.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Its chill, I've asked God what he thinks about Kagi's report and he said it's correct.

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