politics

No fucking shit, everyone knows this, even the democrats know this, most of them are just bought and paid for

US Democrats are very conservative under their thin coat of identity politics. They would be considered way to the right of most European conservative parties.

Bill Clinton tried triangulation (read: being more right wing) and the republicans tried to impeach him. Obama was right of Reagan and the republicans…tried to impeach him. If the GOP is going to fuck with democrats no matter what, let’s just elect some truly revolutionary people. I mean people who make Bernie Sanders look like Mitt Romney. People who make Cornel West look like Paul Ryan. We should be running people who start at “if your net worth is over $100 million you get to line up against the wall” and need to be negotiated down from there.

They aren’t moderate they are where the far right was in 2000

Moderates? Maybe 30 years ago. As they shift the Overton window they stay in lockstep with Republicans as they shift to the right, filling the void left by Republicans. Policy wise they sit somewhere between GW Bush and first term Trump

"Modest"?

No, we have better language to use

Useless

Disingenuous

Paid actors

Servants to the ruling class

Inside traders

Purposefully weak

Blatantly dishonest

And the list could go on and on...

Democrats now are where Republicans were in the 80s

There's no such thing as meeting Nazis in the middle. That's called "becoming a Nazi".

In the UK, our politics are currently similar. Our centre-left party is Labour, who are in government, but they're losing popularity. Keir Starmer, the leader of Labour, has made Labour more moderate. They've lost some voters to the Reform party (populist right) but they've lost even more voters to parties that are left of Labour (Lib Dems and Greens).

There's a left-wing Labour politician called Andy Burnham who has criticised Labour's direction, and he said something which I think can apply to the US too:

If I look at the world right now, and you think of the populist right, whatever we may think about what they’re doing, they are putting big things on the table... Well, we have to do the same the other way, never pandering to them, but put big ideas on the table.

I don't view Democrat leadership as moderate at all. "Centrist", just means Republican policies that boil the frog.

Tell that to the NYT.

"Clever people say that once you become exactly like your opponent you will win elections!"

And even that wouldn't work because this opponent would likely just move further right. Not sure there's anywhere to go anymore, but they'd try.

That’s why it isn’t working.

We don’t want moderates. Moderates aren’t the ones that will get Civil Rights, campaign reform, rein in monopolies, get rid of Citizens United, health care for all, etc. Moderates just half-ass “solutions” that keep stuffing more money in the already wealthy’s pockets while ineffectively trying to get bakeries to make wedding cakes for gay couples. We need actual liberals and progressives, not Republican-lite.

Status quo has got to go.

Democrats and Republicans are two halves of the one party state in America

Democrats Are Already “Moderate.”

I'd say quite a few of them are conservative bordering on reactionary. You just can't see it for all the MSNBC talking heads that insist Henry Cuellar is the far left of the political spectrum and anyone beyond that is a Tankie posting from a North Korean IP address.

The whole moderate thing was an attempt to appeal to Republican voters. They live in a personality cult echo chamber now, it would serve no purpose except catering to ghost. The fact that they are still thinking within a system that has been fundamentally corrupted is why they are doomed to failure.

There are only two parties in that stupid place, what the hell would they think being diet right would do?

Well, democracts mostly act like the other side of the coin of republican. And it's not hard to understand why when you see PACs and millionaires funding both.