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[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 4 points 2 hours ago

In the UK, our politics are currently similar. Our centre-left party is Labour, who are in government, but they're losing popularity. Keir Starmer, the leader of Labour, has made Labour more moderate. They've lost some voters to the Reform party (populist right) but they've lost even more voters to parties that are left of Labour (Lib Dems and Greens).

There's a left-wing Labour politician called Andy Burnham who has criticised Labour's direction, and he said something which I think can apply to the US too:

If I look at the world right now, and you think of the populist right, whatever we may think about what they’re doing, they are putting big things on the table... Well, we have to do the same the other way, never pandering to them, but put big ideas on the table.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 39 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They aren’t moderate they are where the far right was in 2000

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Tell that to older gay people

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago

I grew up in a gay family so I know all about this subject. I can argue that the democrats continuously moved farther right while using a few social justice issues as a smokescreen.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 60 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Bill Clinton tried triangulation (read: being more right wing) and the republicans tried to impeach him. Obama was right of Reagan and the republicans…tried to impeach him. If the GOP is going to fuck with democrats no matter what, let’s just elect some truly revolutionary people. I mean people who make Bernie Sanders look like Mitt Romney. People who make Cornel West look like Paul Ryan. We should be running people who start at “if your net worth is over $100 million you get to line up against the wall” and need to be negotiated down from there.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

We can do more than that.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Exactly. The next president should be very progressive - free health care for all, expand public services, get the 800 billionaires, millionaires and corporations to start paying taxes, increase teachers salary and minimum wage, make associate degrees free, no more bailing out industries/companies, get rid of monopolies, make paid pto mandatory of minimal 3 weeks. Call it project 2029 and create the manual for it now so that it’s actualized on day 1. I can dream can’t I? Maybe in 40 years this will be possible….

[–] Smeagol666@crazypeople.online 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I voted for Obama in 2008 for exactly this reason, that was his platform. Then I watched from my hospital bed in 2010 (partial colonectomy due to diverticulitis) while they (the House and Senate) voted it down. I don't know if he/they was/were corrupted by pharma money after the fact, or if he/they ever intended to follow through to begin with.

In the book Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber, he quotes Obama where he makes the excuse that having Medicare for All would leave 3 million insurance workers out of a job. That would be like stifling the proliferation of electric lighting because of the impact it would have on the whaling industry.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

Amen! I want Democrats to do all the things that Republicans accuse them of doing. I want them to do this because being reasonable is not winning brownie points with these people. The next president should tell America to get ready for a new national flag; we're adding 3 more stars for Puerto Rico, Guam, and Washington DC!

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 20 points 13 hours ago

I don't view Democrat leadership as moderate at all. "Centrist", just means Republican policies that boil the frog.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

There are only two parties in that stupid place, what the hell would they think being diet right would do?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

Make them money

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 114 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

No fucking shit, everyone knows this, even the democrats know this, most of them are just bought and paid for

[–] Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I remember having mad respect for Biden for announcing his intention before 2020 of being a one term president.

It sickens me how much the Democrats dropped the ball.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 7 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Biden doesn't get enough hate. If he had allowed real primaries, the Democratic candidate would have won easily. Trump won again because right wing Democrats fight harder against progressive Democrats than they do against Republicans.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 2 hours ago

That's assuming the Democrats would even allow fair primaries. That shit has been rigged since forever.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 80 points 19 hours ago (13 children)

US Democrats are very conservative under their thin coat of identity politics. They would be considered way to the right of most European conservative parties.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 19 hours ago

They're even shedding that after loosing in 2024. Slowly was doing it during the election but then once lost immediately threw trans people and minorities under the bus for the dems incompetence

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[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 40 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Moderates? Maybe 30 years ago. As they shift the Overton window they stay in lockstep with Republicans as they shift to the right, filling the void left by Republicans. Policy wise they sit somewhere between GW Bush and first term Trump

[–] thelivefive@startrek.website 10 points 16 hours ago

Well things change, I guess supporting genocide is moderate these days.

[–] dissentiate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

"Modest"?

No, we have better language to use

Useless

Disingenuous

Paid actors

Servants to the ruling class

Inside traders

Purposefully weak

Blatantly dishonest

And the list could go on and on...

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 16 points 18 hours ago

Controlled opposition.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 21 points 19 hours ago

Tell that to the NYT.

"Clever people say that once you become exactly like your opponent you will win elections!"

And even that wouldn't work because this opponent would likely just move further right. Not sure there's anywhere to go anymore, but they'd try.

[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 19 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 15 points 19 hours ago

Democrats and Republicans are two halves of the one party state in America

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