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[–] Danarchy@lemmy.nz 1 points 20 minutes ago

Æeeeee lmaø

[–] buran@lemmy.today 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

𐑢𐑲 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯? 𐑦𐑑𐑕 𐑐𐑼𐑓𐑧𐑒𐑑 𐑓 𐑦𐑙𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖!

Why not Shavian? It's perfect for English!

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

How do I type shavian? Is there an android keyboard? That's so cool. I've read about it, but never actually considered if it was typeable realistically.

[–] buran@lemmy.today 1 points 40 minutes ago

You can use an app named Keyman, there are three layouts.

More info here.

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Just start your own language. ænglish

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 19 minutes ago

Ænglø Sæxøn

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We can't even get people to spell correctly with the letters we have.

Capitalization, and punctuation are being lost because it's slightly inconvenient on a phone keyboard to include them. Anything outside of lowercase a-z is too hard now. Good luck getting anyone to shift the keyboard to find other characters.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 3 points 46 minutes ago

Fundamentally disagree. Look at how often people use emoji, AlTerNaTiNg CaSe, and other tricks to convey meaning online (and mainly from their phones). English is not losing complexity, it's not being dumbed down, or becoming simpler because people are typing on a touch screen. It's evolving in real time because the methods of communication are evolving. 300 years ago we capitalized nouns in English for emphasis on important nouns, some people capitalized all nouns like in German, we used punctuation quite differently. Before that, we used these big, chunky symbols to indent our lines and make them more readable (and then we got rid of the symbols, but kept the indents, and that's why we indent the first line of a paragraph). We used to use 3 little stars (an asterism) to break paragraphs apart. Emoji, alternating case, ellipses made of commas, weird punctuation uses, capitalization forgone to convey a flat tone, periods missed at the end of a sentence to give it a friendlier tone, all of these things are living, real grammar rules. They're just not the same ones as in the text books. Much like how AAVE is not taught in schools as correct or proper English, but it has its own grammar rules that are consistent among its users, the way people type now is fairly consistent, and follows a series of rules that have been agreed upon in the same way that any language agrees upon its rules.

English got frozen in time because of the printing press, and we all just assumed it had been the way it was for so long that that's the way it was, English was set. But languages are constantly evolving, and there's really no such thing as a correct way to write a living language. There is only the way we currently write it, which is constantly changing. Normally that change is fairly slow, but we with virtually every other aspect of humanity, the computer, the Internet, the smartphone, and other rapid technological changes increases the speed at which we adopt new cultural norms exponentially.

It's also worth noting that we write more now that we ever have before. In the past, you may occasionally write letters, jot something down on a postcard or a birthday card, have a weekly shopping list, or a note from a phone call, but apart from secretaries taking short hand, stenographers, and other specialized careers involving writing specifically, the average person did not write anywhere near as much as the average millennial or Gen z, who may communicate exclusively through text, email, discord, whatever, with their friends on a daily basis. With more writing, it follows that the language will evolve faster. A short lived species will often demonstrate more mutation and variation than a longer lived species. There are just more generations to work with. Every email, every Facebook post, every text message is a potential for a random mutation in the language, and without the strict confines of previous generations telling us that something must be written in a certain way, because the primary purpose of writing in the past was much more professional and academic, much less casual, those mutations are given a chance to survive and to flourish.

Yeah, sometimes it is genuinely hard for me to read posts made by younger Gen z or Gen alpha, and it is especially hard to read posts that are trying to mimic the gen z/alpha posts but from older generations, but I am legitimately excited to see how English evolves without the confines or academic interference. I can almost imagine a high/low English split coming, and that's exciting.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I down with æ, but me and all my homies hate ø because it's so negative looking, like, why can't we enter there, ø, who made you the alphabetic gatekeeper?

I nominate ů instead. Look at that angelic little halo. But I'd accept ű as a metal af alternative \m/ little ű

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

I nominate ö

[–] db2@lemmy.world 34 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?

See the løveli lakes

The wonderful telephøne system

And mani interesting furry animals

Including the majestic møøse

[–] dangercake@feddit.uk 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

A Møøse once bit my sister ..

[–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink".

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Why did I read this in the Swedish Chef’s accent?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago

Because you've never watched Monty Python I'd bet.

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[–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago

𐑲 𐑨𐑥 𐑨𐑕𐑒𐑦𐑙 𐑿 𐑑 𐑿𐑟 𐑭𐑯 𐑨𐑤𐑓𐑩𐑚𐑧𐑑 𐑞𐑨𐑑 𐑨𐑒𐑖𐑩𐑤𐑰 𐑥𐑱𐑒𐑕 𐑕𐑧𐑯𐑕 𐑓𐑸 𐑦𐑙𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 3 hours ago

"æ" was used in Old English to write the exact sound that "a" represents in most Americans' pronunciation of the word "cat", with "a" representing a distinct vowel. Old English had a few other fun letters - a bunch of people have heard of "þ" (thorn) but there was also "ƿ" (wynn) which had a sound value like "w" in modern English.

[–] the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I can þink of anoðer couple candidates.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

There's also thiſ.

The 'long s'.

An f without the crossbar, ſ , sometimes more fully shaped at the bottom, like the integral symbol.

As best I can tell... linguists have not actually been able to figure out totally consistent rules for its usage, beyond 'it replaces s, sometimes'.

It seems to pretty much be purely stylistic flair, everyone who did use it seems to have slightly different rules for how and in what circumstances they did. It tends to follow certain broader rules, but counterexamples can be found for most of them.

... I wonder if we could merge old/middle english characters and l33t sp33k.

ð4t aſſ B b0unc1n, æ'r3 d4y, æ'r3 9t

[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

Such good letters. I could never digest the fact that th can sound so different (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ

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[–] gbzm@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You could start wið þ and ð: ðey look cool AND have clear use-cases

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

I'm not against but please let me just type th instead of having to copy paste that everytime.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 minutes ago

Simply upgrade your keyboard

[–] VenusianMars@cupoftea.social 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I don't like that O thing because I write 0's with the line through it

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

As a Norwegian, I find it annoying that they "stole" Ø for that purpose. I put a backslash through my zeros instead, so it looks different. I usually pick a coding font with dotted zeros for the same reason.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

As a former math major, it annoys me because 0 and Ø are different concepts.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 2 points 47 minutes ago

Your comment led me down a bit of a rabbit hole and I found this on Wikipedia:

When writing in languages such as Danish and Norwegian, where the empty set character may be confused with the alphabetic letter Ø (as when using the symbol in linguistics), the Unicode character U+29B0 ⦰ REVERSED EMPTY SET may be used instead.

It also mentions what you are alluding to:

In the past, "0" (the numeral zero) was occasionally used as a symbol for the empty set, but this is now considered to be an improper use of notation.

And, as a programmer, don't get me started on nulls...or undefined...or truthyness.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Wait, what.

... oh no. Nope.

Nope, not going back to set theory, it is 105F / ~40C right now, highly confident I would give myself heat stroke.

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[–] VenusianMars@cupoftea.social 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

There are too many letters already, there’s nothing c can do that k or s can’t.

[–] ElderReflections@fedia.io 9 points 4 hours ago (3 children)
[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm in favor of replacing ch with just c, so you'd have a kappakuolo and ceese sandwic. That way, it isn't redundant and we have fewer special cases.

Also, "x" is usually redundant with "ks", so use it for what's currently "sh" to eliminate another redundancy and another special case.

Add back the thorn and eth for "th" and use "f" instead of "ph" and consonants are actually pretty consistent.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago

But what if i want a keese sandwick? Or are we keeping the k and just ditcing ch?

[–] f314@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] fizzle@quokk.au 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

Q is also entirely useless.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago

I would say there are not enough letters. We have about 12-14 vowel monopthongs, but only 6 letters to represent vowels. No wonder everything's a fucking mess! And that's without even getting to diphthongs.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago
[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Can I get a §houtout to whatever you call this thing?

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's the section symbol.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Oh, you mean the §ection §ymbol? I first saw it used in The Sims for §imoleans.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I somehow managed to both use my first word processor program and play the Sims 1 at almost the same time, so ... its both, but I prefer calling it the Simolean symbol.

And if you disagree, well, kra gee narwok, habadu ba blingblong.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Pretty sure I did too!

[–] NullPointerException@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

All hail the THORN Þ

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