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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 49 minutes ago
[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If we're mucking the alphabet, though, we really should bring back the thorn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)

(If for no other reason than to also bring back the you/thou formal/informal split so I get fewer stares when I point out that the best translation of Exodus 20:13 is really more like "hey, man, no murders!")

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Translation from... An older version of English? I'm pretty sure that distinction is not in the original Hebrew.

(good joke though)

[–] ErevanDB@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Also Þorn and Ðis þing, which i do not know ðe name of. (Really, id prefer Shavian, but ðat would require significantly more work to get people to switch)

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It's a thorn, the confusion of which with a Y is the origin of 'Ye Olde Pub'.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

the parent comment said thorn. I think the one he meant he didn't know the name of is instead eth.

[–] ErevanDB@lemmy.zip 1 points 31 minutes ago

Yep, thsts the one! Thank you!

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Look, if you add æ and ø you also have to add å, otherwise Danes will be confused.

[–] AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We need to start with &. It wasn't that long ago that it got removed.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 minutes ago

ampersands are still everywhere, what do you mean?

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Søunds badæss.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

The Europeans will come for us, unless we get the Brits to do it

[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

i like ä and ü and ö

Imagine signing your name and at the end you put the 2 dots on.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Zoës in shambles

[–] Kraiden@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

wasn't þere someone on fedi seriously and persistently trying to bring back þe þorn character? I just remember þey were always heavily down voted. Haven't seen þem in a while

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

ive seen þat several places. Apparently the german printing press didnt add it so it fell out of use.

I think it would confuse people tbh because there's þ and ð.

ðis is soft, like breaðe

þat isnt, like þink

th replaced boð

[–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I like what you were going for, but I'm pretty sure "that" is "ðat", and "þat" would be like "thot", but with an "a". I think.

The difference between them is ð is voiced, as in your throat is making sound and vibrating, whereas þ is voiceless, meaning it's just air and your throat is still, but the rest of your mouth is in the same shape.

This is similar to how, for my accent at least, "v" and "f" are the same mouth shape, and one is voiced and the other isn't.

[–] Fetus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I use "the thing" as a way to differentiate the sounds between the two characters, but I know almost nothing. Trying to learn a bit of Icelandic before I go there so I can pronounce the names of some of the places and be polite with locals.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

Bringing back porn character? Sign me up.

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Just start your own language. ænglish

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 4 hours ago

Ænglø Sæxøn

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

We can't even get people to spell correctly with the letters we have.

Capitalization, and punctuation are being lost because it's slightly inconvenient on a phone keyboard to include them. Anything outside of lowercase a-z is too hard now. Good luck getting anyone to shift the keyboard to find other characters.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 12 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Fundamentally disagree. Look at how often people use emoji, AlTerNaTiNg CaSe, and other tricks to convey meaning online (and mainly from their phones). English is not losing complexity, it's not being dumbed down, or becoming simpler because people are typing on a touch screen. It's evolving in real time because the methods of communication are evolving. 300 years ago we capitalized nouns in English for emphasis on important nouns, some people capitalized all nouns like in German, we used punctuation quite differently. Before that, we used these big, chunky symbols to indent our lines and make them more readable (and then we got rid of the symbols, but kept the indents, and that's why we indent the first line of a paragraph). We used to use 3 little stars (an asterism) to break paragraphs apart. Emoji, alternating case, ellipses made of commas, weird punctuation uses, capitalization forgone to convey a flat tone, periods missed at the end of a sentence to give it a friendlier tone, all of these things are living, real grammar rules. They're just not the same ones as in the text books. Much like how AAVE is not taught in schools as correct or proper English, but it has its own grammar rules that are consistent among its users, the way people type now is fairly consistent, and follows a series of rules that have been agreed upon in the same way that any language agrees upon its rules.

English got frozen in time because of the printing press, and we all just assumed it had been the way it was for so long that that's the way it was, English was set. But languages are constantly evolving, and there's really no such thing as a correct way to write a living language. There is only the way we currently write it, which is constantly changing. Normally that change is fairly slow, but we with virtually every other aspect of humanity, the computer, the Internet, the smartphone, and other rapid technological changes increases the speed at which we adopt new cultural norms exponentially.

It's also worth noting that we write more now that we ever have before. In the past, you may occasionally write letters, jot something down on a postcard or a birthday card, have a weekly shopping list, or a note from a phone call, but apart from secretaries taking short hand, stenographers, and other specialized careers involving writing specifically, the average person did not write anywhere near as much as the average millennial or Gen z, who may communicate exclusively through text, email, discord, whatever, with their friends on a daily basis. With more writing, it follows that the language will evolve faster. A short lived species will often demonstrate more mutation and variation than a longer lived species. There are just more generations to work with. Every email, every Facebook post, every text message is a potential for a random mutation in the language, and without the strict confines of previous generations telling us that something must be written in a certain way, because the primary purpose of writing in the past was much more professional and academic, much less casual, those mutations are given a chance to survive and to flourish.

Yeah, sometimes it is genuinely hard for me to read posts made by younger Gen z or Gen alpha, and it is especially hard to read posts that are trying to mimic the gen z/alpha posts but from older generations, but I am legitimately excited to see how English evolves without the confines or academic interference. I can almost imagine a high/low English split coming, and that's exciting.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 hours ago

I like your way better

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

I try, it's just sometimes I get excited

[–] buran@lemmy.today 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

𐑢𐑲 𐑯𐑪𐑑 𐑖𐑱𐑝𐑾𐑯? 𐑦𐑑𐑕 𐑐𐑼𐑓𐑧𐑒𐑑 𐑓 𐑦𐑙𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖!

Why not Shavian? It's perfect for English!

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

How do I type shavian? Is there an android keyboard? That's so cool. I've read about it, but never actually considered if it was typeable realistically.

[–] ErevanDB@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Theres the keyman app, and recently the futo keyboard if you want a more modern-style keyboard. Id reccommend the futo one because of the larger number of festures, but its up to you.

[–] buran@lemmy.today 2 points 53 minutes ago

FUTO software it's sooo good, but sadly their license sucks. It's just source available and technically not FLOSS.

[–] buran@lemmy.today 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You can use an app named Keyman, there are three layouts.

More info here.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 hours ago

Too cool! Thank you!

[–] db2@lemmy.world 45 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?

See the løveli lakes

The wonderful telephøne system

And mani interesting furry animals

Including the majestic møøse

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 hours ago

Akshually, ø and æ aren't part of the Swedish alphabet. They're Danish and Norwegian. In Swedish you have ä and ö; å is common to the three languages.

This change absolutely nothing, but now you're able to distinguish Swedish and Norwegian at a glance!

[–] dangercake@feddit.uk 28 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

A Møøse once bit my sister ..

[–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink".

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