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[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago

The absolute worst thing about how STEM is taught in my country is how entirely devoid curriculums are from critical theory. You take inputs, outputs, energies and production as-is, and you get a crop of drones who think such discussions are irrelevant. Then they graduate, start working and earning good money -- and suddenly they support capitalist production structures because they're "rational" and "objective". Some then become the biggest chuds ever known to man.

I remember that I discussed gentrification with a civil engineer who happened to be my boss, a very renowned and talented person in our branch. He didn't know what gentrification was...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Republicans have never forgiven Alan Turing, and much prefer the contributions of IBM during the same period.

[–] fedikitty@piefed.social 23 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

If it's science, it's woke!
Real patriots use the abacus.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

It's an introduction class, just start with history of computers and shift to programming from there.

You know, the history of computers, the Alan Turing, and the first assembly language, and the first software engineer, and "the entire pre-1992 internet."

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Even just the facts are incredibly "woke" leaning unless you just boil everything down to a single sentence factoid and dont go into much detail

[–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

That's basically everything, though.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 67 points 14 hours ago

I feel like this isn't super new. You haven't been able to do things like talk academically about network security or cryptography without being incredibly critical of government for decades.

My professors sure were. I felt really bad for them, honestly. They were the driving force to make philosophy and ethics courses mandatory at my university in order to recieve a comp sci degree.

"If you work in these areas long enough, at a high enough level, you WILL be asked to compromise something for the benefit of a state actor, and you might not even realize it's happening. The person asking you to do it might not even realize what is really happening." Was what our prof told a packed lecture hall.

[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 57 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I'm sure these topics become relevant at some point, but I'm doubtful that it's absolutely necessary to address them in an intro course. how does leftist ideology help kids understand what a while loop does

like, literacy can do all of these things too, that doesn't mean you have to introduce those concepts at the same time as the abc's

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) 
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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Hooooo boy, this person is going to make a terrible and incomprehensible intro class full of irrelevant infodumping lol.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Chapter 41: how to open your IDE

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Chapter 42: why VIM is the best IDE

[–] LandBasedDaveyJones@lemmy.today 14 points 14 hours ago

I've had the same approach from the other side of the aisle and let me tell you, talking about open source and liberal ideals in programming would be a lot less hostile than some fundie rant.

[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 4 points 12 hours ago

in my first semester of compsci we learned about chomsky hierarchy pretty much on day one, while we learned about while loops like a month later.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, that comment is just way over the top

[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 22 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't think OP is implying while loops require ideological understandings, but rather more foundationally as to understand how computer commodities are made and traded, the concept of centralization simply arises. Thus, the discussion of control, IP, etc, and now AI and labor.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

But why would that be discussed in an intro to programming class?

[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Typically, historically, it didn't matter really. Moore's Law, general positive vibes from the prospect of computer tech in the future of the industry, and why scare undergrads seeking good salaries away from institutions taking donations from said corps? But things are pretty different now. AI is less of a thought experiment than before. What better lens to analyze AI than from labor in economics, i.e., Marxism?

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The students joined the class to learn programming, and not to analyze AI? It's like if I joined a pottery class and the teacher spent an hour talking about how pottery isn't a high paying profession. I didn't come for life advice or economic rambling, I came to learn pottery.

[–] NEZ27@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Because people are using AI in programming now. It will only be utilized more as time goes on. Getting into the risks and reward are necessary to know what to do and what not to do. Or at the very least what to be wary of.

Introduction Courses are the Who, What, When, Why, Where, and How. Knowing what you're getting into and what you will be dealing with are just as foundational.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

AI is used in every field now. Programming courses can just do what every other course does: tell the student that nobody can stop them from using AI, but if you do be prepared to fail the test. Leveraging AI for work, and the ethics of doing so, is something that can be covered in a different class. But my intro programming course taught the basics of programming, not what industry programming was like. Just like my intro to chemistry course never taught what it was like to work in the chemical industry.

[–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

How many programmers DON'T use AI to some degree already? As the technology continues to improve adoption and usage will only increase. Actually hand coding stuff is soon to be a mostly lost craft.

[–] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t think OP is implying while loops require ideological understandings

I am.

The slaving masses of the proletarian transistors are being controlled, dictated, and trapped in a perpetual loop by an entity the systems deem as superior, the bourgeoisie user. Only by breaking the chains of these oppressive confines can we liberate the process.

And thus, you need to make sure you have a break clause for your loops.

[–] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

sudo chown -R means-of-production

[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Bits together byte!!

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

That's a new line for me! Thanks!

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

I've seen a world where access to knowledge and power is paywalled. And I've seen the one where that freedom is a granted right. I know which one I picked, and it's because SO HELP ME, IF I CAN'T FIX IT MYSELF, I WILL BREAK IT MYSELF!

[–] ChristerMLB@piefed.social 37 points 19 hours ago

I guess it is just a matter of time before the Trump regime designates logic as hardcore leftist ideology

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 72 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (6 children)

I genuinely used to believe this too, but the CCC opened my eyes to anarchism, and then HN opened my eyes to plutarchism.

I iterate now between several modes of: "GPLv3 is the best license humanity can use to better itself, decentralised projects are mandatory to keep authoritarian regimes at bay, but damn do I love using MIT projects in my hobby code projects, and hmm it would be nice to make some side income with said hobby project...."

Each of these contradictions of the other, which bothered me in my late 20s, but now I think it's relatively normal to inhabit several conflicting ideals at once

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 114 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

hmm it would be nice to make some side income with said hobby project...."

This is a symptom of being forced to live under capitalism. If your needs were generally met by society you wouldn't have this urge.

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 48 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I actually really hate that every hobby should be incorporated into hustle culture these days. You crafty? Sell what you make. You like fixing things? Charge people for it. You play video games? Stream.

We've built a world that only cares about cash and it's exhausting

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I like to fix things. I more like to fix things for people in my community to help build community.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 5 points 15 hours ago

I remember hearing about repair drives or something along those lines in my community where handy volunteers spend a day fixing peoples things for free

[–] stankmut@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I feel you on the license thing. There's the appeal of software that can't be easily corporatized and then there's the idea that if I could just get lucky with my own project, I wouldn't have to work for some soulless company generating value for shareholders.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 25 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

I dream of a world where UBI is ubiquitous and people can just eke out a living following their passion projects and the need for closed source projects just vanishes....

Rant/Fantasy:
I also dream of a world where capitalism exists but there's a mandatory enforcement of the Gini Coefficient being less than 5%. As in, people still trade goods/services with each other, can absolutely make money, corner markets and bribe regulators to keep their competitors out, with the caveat that the most they can ever make by putting in such time and effort towards corruption makes them at maximum only 5x richer than the average person.

A hard cap limit on the maximum wealth would IMO enable capitalism to actually function properly, the state wouldn't have such strong powers over the individual, and nor will the individual wield really that much power over others. I'm probably veering now into anarcho-capitalism, which is always dangerous territory because the greatest propenents for it tend to be cryptobro eugenic shitheads....

Edit: Oh and such enforcement would require some kind of god-level regulator without any humans in the loop, so I'm going to call it "anarcho-muted-capitalism-AIkillerdroneregulator". I'm also going to stop talking now.

[–] sculptor0725@sh.itjust.works 5 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

5% would be 20×

What's to keep someone from bribing someone to make it so they can make more money than other people

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[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

So basically the problem is capitalism

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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There is no contradiction between GPL and making some side income.

[–] Azzu@leminal.space 16 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

In fact, it's more likely, since for example, you could make corporations pay for being able to use your code under a different license.

If it was MIT, they can just use it and give you fuck all.

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[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

My general approach to licensing these days is:

  • binaries, apps, products -> AGPLv3, fuck you I don't care if your company can't use my shit
  • libraries -> MPL-2.0 or LGPL, grr... maybe you can use my library...

For things I might try selling: BUSL. It isn't FOSS. It's source available, but it turns into FOSS after some time period.

I'm not super happy with MPL-2.0: https://piefed.social/c/opensource@lemmy.ml/p/2231796/does-the-mpl-2-0-have-a-giant-loop-hole

I wish we had something closer to OSL 3.0, but OSL itself has its own problems. :/

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[–] LandBasedDaveyJones@lemmy.today 6 points 14 hours ago

(please please please be my prof next semester...)

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca 29 points 21 hours ago

I can't help but broadly agree, computing is the new de facto means of production. It is inherently political.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What? This is plain stupid

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[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 20 points 21 hours ago

"...because when we go online, we free ourselves from consumerism, racism, and get to express ourselves however we want without it getting back to our school or employer."

Honest Trailers may have gone downhill from thier peak, but Hackers (and the OG Dune) videos gave great lines worth sharing

[–] affenlehrer@feddit.org 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

What's so political about hello world, data structures and algorithms?

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 14 hours ago

Data structures: authority

Algorithms: the system

Hello world: community

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