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Yeah and that Uber driver can't afford rent. Photographers often have less business in the winter, too, and they have a ton of extra equipment to lug around. I know a wedding photographer and it's a lot of work day of and post work to make sure it's all nice.
Is the weight of the $5000 camera how she got the permanent kink in her neck?
Partially, but it's the £5000 camera in combination with the additional kit a £5000 camera owner carries around with them, like putting a tripod bag and a spare lenses bag on the same shoulder.
My education cost 200,000. You think I made all that back in one paycheck? Cry me a river, Natalie.
When I used to film pornography I got sloppy seconds.
It was the definition of win/win.
A man after my own heart. Plus, dinner and a show.
tbf I doubt many Uber drivers actually profit, especially the ones driving $40k cars
On the Uber and transport topic, I sometimes get to ride the light rail and I have to drive to the park n ride to leave my car and ride the rail.
The trip from my home to the park n ride is a quick 10 to 15 minutes by car. By bus it's 1 to 2 hours. By foot it's probably a few days.
The light rail takes me 30 minutes from north king county to Seattle downtown. If I drove there it would take an hour of mostly just sitting in traffic.
Progress is slow but if there was a light rail from bothell to Kenmore to the I-5 corridor, that would basically eliminate my need for a 40 to $90 Uber. We only pay that if we a traveling. That way we get a car from our house to the link and then easy 30 minutes to the airport.
The whole Uber thing is great unless there are only a few riders or a few drivers. Plus the cut that goes to Uber is probably stifling innovation. I recall that there's an open-source Uber system called...
At my house there are no buses. There are no light rails. There are no sidewalks, no bike lanes. You can walk in the easement of people's front yards but it's mostly a ditch, full of water when it's raining. I live inside the loop highway that runs around my 2+ million population city. Cars are the only option, even most of the homeless have cars here.
a quick 10 to 15 minutes by car. […] By foot it's probably a few days.
Just as a raw ballpark estimate. By car could be 50km/h on average, with a walking speed of roughly 5km/h, that's 10x the time it takes by car, i.e. 2-3 hours.
A few days usually takes you trough a few adjacent townships. Do you have to take a humongous detour on foot?
skill isnt bought
She wants her investment repaid in 2 or 3 gigs?
Taxes, assistant fee, mileage, you own more than one lens and one cam body…no lol not even close. We haven’t even talked about post processing, delivery, rights, etc.
She should've mentioned that instead of just listing a single piece of equipment
Its easy to say something like "my camera for this shoot costs $5k, you could rent it for $300 a day and do it yourself" but people dont really care about art or skill. If youre shooting a wedding, for example, there are hundreds of little candid moments that your friend John the Designated Driver wouldn't catch that Natalie GirlWhoDoesThisForALiving would.
Not to mention there aren't enough weddings a day to sustain someone for $300 per, and youre competing with others, and blah blah blah.
I tend to follow my instinct of "your art is worth whatever you say it is". If i like your art and i like your price, ill pay it, no haggling. If i dont like one or either, i apologize for wasting your time.
In my experience, items are only worth what someone is actually willing to pay. Because if it is priced so high that no one in your target demographic is actually willing to pay that much, it is just unrealized gains. And for most people, an unrealized gain is equivalent to 0.
I see this a lot in the MTG community. People will say a card is worth $200 because that is what they list for on eBay. I ask if they've ever had an offer for that much - and the answer is almost exclusively no. I tell them that the ones listed on eBay are the ones that aren't selling. The real value is less because no one actually buying them for $200, that is the cutoff where people stopped buying the card and so the listings stay up.
It’s probably fake. Don’t take image macros/memes too seriously ;)
My camera cost nowhere near $5000, and I'd gladly take $100-300 per shoot with it. Hell, I'll even develop the film for you since it ain't a digital camera.
But are you a professional photographer who makes a living off it?
I could be if enough people paid me for it.
I've also taken courses on photography to know how to shoot a good looking photo. It's also where I learned how to develop film. These classes cost me nothing, I might add.
Twelve bucks? That's ... Probably not a livable wage with cost of operating a vehicle. Let's assume you do four of those in an hour for 8 hours, that's 32 jobs a day, grossing 8 hours a day for $384/day and just under 100k/y... But you have overhead. You have to pay for the vehicle and it's operating and insurance costs, and your own operating costs and insurance. If you live in any sort of American wider metro, 100k alone isn't cutting it.
So let's say you drive 6 miles per $12 on average. Operating a new car for a business is about $0.76/mile, so you subtract $4.56 of your $12 right off the bat, leaving you with $7.44/job.
That doesn't include accidents or your tax, either. Let's assume you get in one medium accident a year and you have minimal insurance. You pay out of pocket for your own repairs glhf.
Now you also pay 15.3% tax on your earnings because you aren't an employee and Uber says to go fuck yourself. So on your 100k a year, you pay another $15,275 in tax.
That leaves you $46,625/year, driving full time.
If you bought the car on a loan, you make negative money.
If you get in an accident, you make negative money.
For full time.
Enjoy.
Good luck eating or paying 36k a year for an apartment.
Uber drivers I take to tell me that even if you make money driving, you lose it all in the wear and tear on your vehicle when you sell it.
We all lose money in the wear and tear in our vehicle we we sell it, though.
Advertising yourself as:
Bad at internal budgeting
Full of yourself
... is a bold marketing strategy during an economic depression, for a freelance/contract worker.
Best of luck Nat.
… is a bold marketing strategy during an economic depression
Never undersell the possibility that this person is lying.
Or that this is a stock photo and the text is clickbait.
Apparently her name is actually Kortney. But reality doesn't matter when a bunch of redditors get together to hate a woman
Not every gig is gonna earn you the cost of that camera. And it doesn't need to.
I don't really understand photography. Like it seems too broad of an art form. Like the guy who takes pictures of food is different from action photography is different from a wedding photographer. I feel like I don't have the context to know she's full of shit, but it kinda feels like it.
Good photographers are actually pretty rare and - in my experience - treat the field of capturing visual information as a science, but since the advent of consumer DSLR and mirrorless systems, modern-day digital cameras with nearly instant automatically-focusing lenses that utilize a grid array and intelligence models to smartly maintain clarity on what is most likely a subject as it moves in 3D space, have made it so much harder to fuck things up that it essentially has opened the floodgates of photography so that there's an endless sea of morons thinking that buying a $5000 Canon with a full-frame sensor and a lens the size of a Stanley thermos makes them Ansel Adams.
It's the same with any field where the bar to entry gets suddenly lowered. The market becomes immediately flooded with new "experts" because the tools evolve to the point that they become nearly idiot-proof. Think Claude vibe coders calling themselves programmers / software engineers, Gemini prompters calling themselves visual designers, and people on SoundCloud uploading jingles they farted out on SUNO calling themselves musicians.
To me, the difference between a person who takes pictures and a photographer is that Ansel Adams might spend a week waiting for exactly the right lighting conditions before taking a single picture of a setting. There's a whole lot of planning we don't see.
yeah, and Adams was dealing with enormous negatives that required chemical processing, which then got printed onto enormous prints and were very very very much edited! one example you can see here with the artist, they're quite distinct! But this is analog editing, overexposing some areas (burning) and underexposing the image in other areas (dodging), using lights and mattes to select areas.
https://jtunney.com/the-art-of-dodge-burn/
there's a tremendous amount of intent that goes into finding the location, then the weather, and time, and waiting for magic - that part in the clouds or just as light filters past a ridge - and then with analog photography, you shoot and hope lol, there's no instant feedback, just trust the process and be meticulous.
She’s not really full of shit, but she is being kind of bitchy. Meanwhile, Xavier’s just a trolling asshole.
Its all based on their time involvement. Hourly wage basically. You cab shoot for an hour and then spend several hours editing the shots. Wedding photographers might commit 20-40 hours to a wedding. 3-5 day of, rest editing. Batch editing and croppjng isnt bad but touch ups are the worst.
Yeah I figured a photographer would have an hourly rate, an that rate would depend on a lot of variables.
Don't forget - the "difficult" client who wants you to make additional specific time-consuming changes AFTER reviewing them a first time.
When driving someone, they don't usually have the ability now to ask you to drive them to additional locations after you both agreed on an original destination and fee.
Nobody cares what your camera costs, Nat. You can still take shitty pictures with a $5000 camera. Charge what you think your service is worth and work for clients who pay it.
$5k is also literally hobby money. I've spent way more than that snowboarding and hiking over the years. My lab setup at work is literally worth more than I will make in my entire career. Sit down bitch.