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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

So... Let's steal to advance our country. Really nice.

[–] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Alright, then copyright is dead.

Ad block and canceling subscriptions it is then.

Yarhar!

[–] MyRobotShitsBolts@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

I’m downloading all of Netflix library to train my LLM.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Kleptocracy.

[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Rules for thee and not for me.

[–] vathecka@lemmy.radio 7 points 1 day ago

Really cool how the supreme court doesnt give a shit about the law anymore and like half their rulings are "ik the law says we cant do this, but that would be really inconvenient so it doesnt matter"

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well copyrights either apply to all or to none. We aren't going to make exceptions for someone's favourite companies.

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

Whithouse: which opinion will piss off the most Americans?

Peak capitalism, steal everything from the masses, remix and regurgitate it so no one is the wiser, then sell it back to them via a subscription model.

Makes me sick.

[–] green_goglin@thelemmy.club 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Aaron Schwartz’s prosecution was always bullshit. RIP.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

This just in... I think I'm going to start training my own LLM on various movies, TV shows, and music. US government said it was ok.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Precedent that copyright is not legally enforceable

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I wouldn't be as upset if the playing field was level. Alright, you can slurp up and remix the world's works, but so can anyone, for any reason, for free. Personally, I think use restrictions should only target commercial use, but I'm sure that's a much more divisive topic. We have a law that is not being applied to those most likely to abuse it at scale.

[–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Precedent that laws don't apply to billionaires.

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[–] isekaihero@ani.social 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Rules for thee, not for me.

Pirating anything isn't illegal anymore. If the government can pick and choose people and groups who don't have to pay for patent or copyright, then there are no patents or copyrights.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

To clarify, this is the government's position, not the law. This hasn't been officially ruled on yet.

In a lawsuit that The New York Times filed against OpenAI, the Trump administration has contributed a 20-page brief in defense of the ChatGPT maker’s unlicensed use of copyrighted material to train its LLMs.

However, it's not looking promising in legal terms either.

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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 177 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Trump’s government siding with OpenAI is peak MAGA economics: copyright is sacred until Silicon Valley needs millions of other people’s books, articles and art for free. Then suddenly property rights become an annoying obstacle to »winning the AI race.« Apparently America First now means AI companies first, creators somewhere near last.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 85 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Property rights are sacred until they need land to build a data center, then is eminent domain on the name of "public good"

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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The US government is finally learning it's capitalist system can't compete with China in terms of AI. Someone finally got through to them capitalism will cause America to lose the AI race. Too little too late. Why they still call everyone communist and socialist, turns out they're doing the same except it's corporations that are allowed to be socialists and communists.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago (8 children)

which technically makes piracy legal because that's the gov endorsing piracy

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

should update torrent client to say "LLM training agent" instead, legally safe /s

[–] holy_scroller@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I consider myself somewhat of a LLM.

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[–] deeprlyeh@lemmus.org 98 points 3 days ago (6 children)

That is awesome, anyone can train an AI model and use copyrighted materials. So this is the end of IP laws?

[–] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 89 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Copyright is conveniently only flexible for multibillion dollar AI firms.

If anyone ever does try to argue this in court, they'll just change the justification to "national security."

We need the most powerful AI we can make because our rival nations are building their most powerful AIs. Our rivals are using their AI to control drone swarms, perform automated intelligence-gathering, do mass automated hacking, and perform influence operations. Wars are quickly devolving into battles of drone swarms vs drone swarms, and the limit is on the people needed to control the. Our rivals are revolutionizing their supply chains with AI. They may even be performing vast automated influence operations designed to target individual citizens. In the near future, if you're an American citizen, the Chinese government will know who you are personally, have a file on you, and will be using AI to try and psychologically manipulate you. We need to be able to fight this! We simply have no choice but to keep up. National security demands it. Companies participating in national security-crucial AI development will be exempt from copyright laws.

I'm no lawyer, but a law to allow this almost certainly already exists. US law is full of national security exemptions. For example, I'm pretty sure in wartime IP laws can be waived. If you've invented some amazing new technology with military applications? If the government comes knocking and you just refuse to sell to them or demand a completely impossible price, there has to be a mechanism in IP law for those rights to simply be waived, or the rights taken by a form of eminent domain. There's probably some provision of copyright law that would allow a president to void certain copyrights in a national security emergency.

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[–] Amuro_eat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 79 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Then I’ll continue to pirate everything

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)
  • train your local AI models
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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So it's eminent domain on other people's copyrighted content?

Gotta keep funneling money to those billionaires.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 60 points 3 days ago (3 children)

A follow up question, please:

Q: So, what is illegal for an AI firm to do?

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It depends, how big is the suitcase with the bribe?

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[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nothing if it is in the interest of national security.

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[–] deaconblackhorse@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But you don't get to enjoy copyrighted materiel yourself

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Rent it again if you love it so much."

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

There's not just a desperation for Skynet by US government, like protecting oil from EVs/renewables, this is also about creating new oligarchs to fund electoral results that oppress Americans/humanity.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

To my understanding, and excuse me if I‘m wrong because I‘m not a lawyer but that‘s not what the fucking law says? You either uphold copyright law or abandon it. There is no middle way and if courts disagree with you, your stance doesn‘t really matter here.

[–] freedom@lemy.lol 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You misunderstand. YOU can’t use the data. Heck, you can’t easily find it anymore either. They’re scanning all the books and ripping them up as we speak too.

Big companies CAN because they own YOU. Clear?

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[–] wallwood@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Chinese models like Kimi are already competing head-to-head with Claude Opus in term of capability. And the main reason that kimi isn't as widely used as Claude is because Chinese companies aren't burning investors money to keep subscription prices low. I wonder how long will this dominance can last. Since investor money will eventually run out. and once that happens, what plans do they have to keep competing with free open weight models that already closed the gap.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Firmly an example of capitalism cannibalism themselves.

It may not abolish copyright but it is causing cracks.

Copyright was always a scam, non personal information should be free. Multiple people can have the same good idea, walling of access to a good idea behind capital blocks human progress.

Before anyone says something, yes artists deserve to eat… just like everyone else. Being economically productive should not be a condition for that. Make your art for fun and enjoy the honor of being copied with a sidedish of UBI.

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 days ago

Remember that it's always morally acceptable to break in and destroy AI data centers. The only ones harmed are not people.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 days ago

Where's all the people shouting how awesome capitalism is, private ownership, the communists will come steal everything from you.

Here come capitalists to steal everything you own so they can make more money. Copyright, shmopyright. They've also got eminent domain on their side to build walls and data centers

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 35 points 3 days ago (3 children)

From me just looking at it, everything they're trying to do to force US AI supremacy seems to just generate and cause even more pushback. Ban cards to China? China's ramping up GPU supplying and separating from US dominated supply chains. Ban model exports? They'll make cheaper and easier models. Idk, whenever you force the market it usually backfires in ways you can't expect.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 33 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The thing is, they're trying to force the market by actual force rather than slow and methodical coercion. US hegemony is over, because the buffoon in chief, who is terrible at domestic business, is also bad at foreign business. Shocking, I know.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Retain"? What in the actual fuck are you talking about? You surrendered that ages ago.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So... pay for it? It's not like the money isn't there

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So literally the Chinese approach to copyright and IP law.

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