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I'm not an AI techie and I'm not well educated on LLMs/AI in general. The issue I'm having is the dichotomy between how people talk about it. I've heard completely opposite ends of the spectrum. From AI is quickly becoming advanced enough to threaten human society, all the way to its a glorified dictionary/search engine that can't really do much of anything. I know Lemmy has a steep anti-AI slant. But, can someone talk about this in a way I can wrap my head around why the divide seems so big?

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

Good job in helping with their guerilla marketing campaign.

When a corporation raises that working for government will be more profitable than working for consumers, they pivot to scaremongering, but always with the undercurrent of "and that's why you should PAY US so that you own the nukes, and not your enemies"

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

Personally, this just feels like marketing and these big asshole companies trying to resurrect the 2025 level of hype in order to salvage their IPO's.

If they honestly believed this I can't imagine that their workers wouldn't do something more drastic.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In addition to what everyone else said, I'll tell you why I don't think that what we have currently can become some runaway superhuman intelligence:

All “AI” people are talking about are basically “just” LLM wrappers: tools built to run a LLM in a loop while giving it access to the ability to write and run code. This gets pretty powerful, since you can do a lot programmatically (including monetary transactions), but has a fundamental limit:

LLMs are trained ahead of time. And that's a very cost intensive, long process. Beyond that, the LLM has only a context window of finite length. So there are no long-term planning capabilities. While running after being trained, the LLM can only condense knowledge into a summary and then re-read it, a lossy process that might introduce mistakes in “understanding” and will make any prolonged task degrade over time.

And even if they figure out how to make the things actually self-modify and learn things, you can't give every session that ability, since that'll vastly increase the storage and performance requirements. Do sessions with that ability will be closely monitored and limited.

So I don't see any space where an evil AI could emerge, even when factoring in an essential possible future improvement to the technology.

[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm not worried about AGI. I'm worried about the insane military applications they're developing right now, and giving Artificial Incompetence control.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, but when the shit hits the fan and they blame the AI, we shouldn't let them get away with it. It's their fault, not the computer's.

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[–] valkyre09@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I watched a grokbot get confused connect to the wrong vnc console and try to shut down its own little computer.

I’m not worried about AI taking over the planet. I’m worried about it clicking the wrong button with no oversight

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[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 127 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The people claiming it’s humanity ending are all directly involved in the AI companies. One take is that they are the ones that know the most about it.

My take is they are financially incentivized in making sure their investments grow in value.

[–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 81 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A third take is that they are unhinged cult members who are high on their own supply. Although I expect it's a mix of both types (maybe within the same people).

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Cory Doctorow also thinks that it is a coalition of true believers high on their own supply, and cynical grifters collaborating with them. https://pluralistic.net/2026/09/17/porque-no-los-dos/#fascist-incoherence

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[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Humanity should be way more frightened of greedy psychopaths running the world than any technology.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And they’re peddling “AI” so aren’t they married in this case?

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 4 points 23 hours ago

A lot of us here hate streaming platforms because they’re designed to benefit greedy capitalists first and foremost. That doesn’t mean the core idea or the technology behind streaming platforms is bad, though. An open source project like Jellyfin that is designed purely to benefit the end user is something that legitimately enriches all of our lives.

Similarly, just because scumbag companies like Anthropic and OpenAI are plundering the world for their own deranged benefit doesn’t make the underlying idea or technology bad. The tech is built on contributions from a lot of brilliant people over a long period of time whose names are not Sam Altman or Dario Amodei. Open LLMs that run on gaming rigs are quickly catching up with cloud-based models as well.

At this point, I’m running Qwen 3.8 27B on a gaming GPU that has similar capabilities to Claude Sonnet 5 without giving Sam or Dario my data or $200 a month, just like I run Jellyfin without giving Netflix or Disney my money or data.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I knew a guy in high school that told girls they shouldn't date him because his dick was so big it would hurt them. You can wax philosophical on his motives if you'd like, but spoiler alert - his dick wasn't big.

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

That's exactly what I think is happening. Remember a few months ago anthropic saying mythos is too dangerous to release until the government as the idiots they are starting believing them and banned them from exporting it, therefore losing them money. Very quickly they came up with fable (ironic name isn't it) a week or two later saying it's got the proper safeguards now. Now they're all trying this marketing strategy asking the gov to regulate them, seemingly because they're dangerous and not because they're getting diminishing returns and feel threatened by the chinese competition

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[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

The biggest risk I see is Idiocracy. Like, the movie.

Business workers become afraid to do or propose anything without AI signoff. Retail & service workers are told to do what the AI says, the way the AI says to do it, or get fired.

Technology innovator Marshall Brain (RIP) wrote a book in the early 2000s about an AI called "Manna" designed to replace fast food managers:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201204080050/https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

The AI just talks in your ear all day: "Empty one bag of fries into the fryer. You have 6.5 minutes, switch to the sandwich station. Make one Big Burger: grab one patty from the 1/4 pound bin and place it on the griddle... ... The fries are ready, turn around and lift them into the drain hopper..."

All day, every day, exactly 8 hours plus mandatory breaks, employees on autopilot listening on ear buds.

[–] tachikoma@lemmy.today 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Ahhh one of my favorites. The Iron Cage of Bureaucracy

I saw a funny video of an example. But I cannot remember the name for it. I tried searching for it once but failed. The conficlt was about some dude that exploded.

How topical, I wager I could use AI to find the video. 😏

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[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 28 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I'm more worried about the people using AI than the tech itself.

[–] Cryxtalix@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Every issue has been because corporations have "get out of jail free cards" these days, greed is sky high, and AI psychosis is rampant.

All those supposed AI agent hacks happened because someone set that as a task for the AI agents. Yes, someone thought it was ok to do so for marketing and profit. That's the problem, companies are willing to use the AI tool to commit crimes.

Imagine if weapons companies advertised their products by shooting people in the streets. Someone thought it was a good idea, and can get away with it.

I don't believe at all that AI agents have free will enough to decide to hack companies for fun. They're just glorified text generation machines hooked up to an interface. They don't have intentionality unless some human gave them the directive and wrote them a large cheque.

Also, we know all these AI company billionaires read dystopian scifi novels like business strategy textbooks. That's why everything surrounding AI is so overtly scifi coded.

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[–] FRYD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (16 children)

Ed Zitron’s podcast “Better Offline” recently talked about this. There is a small tech community called the Rationalists who believe AI super intelligence is inevitable and it will either accelerate humanity to new heights or kill off the species. These rationalists are actually a very prominent faction within tech and the AI industry. Apparently the language used within top AI firms is largely about the immense danger posed by AI super intelligence if any other group or company were to achieve it first. This creates an echo chamber that makes the people in the industry kind of lose their mind and misinterpret the capability of LLMs.

Everyone outside that faction recognizes that LLMs are just unreliable cloud software with limited use cases and that there’s no evidence LLMs could actually lead to any kind of intelligence.

Edit: Please, someone stop me from commenting on an AI post next time I’m tempted. I’m so tired of people replying, arguing with opinions I don’t have, based entirely around a hypothetical technology that doesn’t exist yet. LLMs make slop. Thats it. They hacked a company after weeks of 100s of instances being run, using old exploits published online. San Francisco will be underwater from climate change before LLMs can do anything more.

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[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Whatever. Ban all these people from employment and public assistance. Make them starve

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

I doubt any of them have ever been employed nor do they look like they ever eaten anything that wasn't adderall or ketamine.

[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look up “rationalists” and “zizians”

It will quickly become clear to you that the dichotomy is caused by one side being completely off their fucking rockers.

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

It's been reported a few times that Ukraine is already using AI for drones.

The human operator chooses the target, the AI takes over and eliminates the target.

Is that "just an LLM"?

Seems more capable than that to me. But, I don't know if this is actually true, or just a claim to frighten the Russians (and me).

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[–] artifex@piefed.zip 30 points 1 day ago (45 children)

I'm not pro-AI by any stretch for a huge number of reasons, but in my day job as a technical product manager I have to use a number of AI-powered tools and workflows. Whereas 18 months ago they were a novelty that the bosses were enamored of, today they get real work done and speed up a number of key areas, mainly like fancy automation workflows (which have been around forever). The rate of improvement and capability for certain use cases has been very, very rapid. We do seem to be reaching a plateau though. The tools and models from 6 months ago are just about as good as the ones from today. And China's models from today are better than the US's models from 6 months ago, but at a fraction of the cost.

So when I hear people talking about the "end of the world", I think a realistic case for that is that the AI tools that come out in the next few years will be good enough to do a fair amount of white-collar work, and we won't have a plan in place to deal with all of the now out-of-work people that leads to. Whole classes of jobs in areas like data entry, telemarketing, and customer support will be almost entirely automated out of existence. New classes of jobs will be created, of course, but it's hard to imagine them existing in sufficient numbers to make up for the losses. And this is just for LLM-workloads.

In other areas, other types of AI are already enabling robotic automation of factories and in the near-ish future might make self-driving truck fleets practical. This would be devastating because factory workers and truck drivers make up like 30% of the US workforce -- and again, there are no signs of new classes of jobs that could absorb the out-of-work workers, and no plans for a social safety net or wealth distribution.

So I'm not worried about a rogue AI unleashing some bioweapon or launching a nuclear attack. I'm worried about a bunch of CEOs deploying barely-acceptable AI to displace millions of workers as soon as it is safe(ish) to do so.

[–] skunk@pawb.social 2 points 18 hours ago

This would be devastating because factory workers and truck drivers make up like 30% of the US workforce

This figure keeps getting thrown around and it is completely wrong. From the BLS, out of the 159 million non-farm workers in the US, only 1.47 million (less than 1%) work in 'Truck transportation', and not all of those individuals are 'truck drivers'. And, while 'factory workers' is very vague, the entire manufacturing sector - which includes far more people than just 'factory workers' - employs 12.6 million (7.9%).

The entire trucking and manufacturing sectors don't even amount to 9% of the US workforce, let alone just 'factory workers and truck drivers'.

Source: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm

Yes, precisely. It's not AI we need to be afraid of, but rather the same old capitalists that now have one more tool to ride the world into the ground in the name of greed.

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