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I'm not an AI techie and I'm not well educated on LLMs/AI in general. The issue I'm having is the dichotomy between how people talk about it. I've heard completely opposite ends of the spectrum. From AI is quickly becoming advanced enough to threaten human society, all the way to its a glorified dictionary/search engine that can't really do much of anything. I know Lemmy has a steep anti-AI slant. But, can someone talk about this in a way I can wrap my head around why the divide seems so big?

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[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look up “rationalists” and “zizians”

It will quickly become clear to you that the dichotomy is caused by one side being completely off their fucking rockers.

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[–] artifex@piefed.zip 32 points 1 day ago (30 children)

I'm not pro-AI by any stretch for a huge number of reasons, but in my day job as a technical product manager I have to use a number of AI-powered tools and workflows. Whereas 18 months ago they were a novelty that the bosses were enamored of, today they get real work done and speed up a number of key areas, mainly like fancy automation workflows (which have been around forever). The rate of improvement and capability for certain use cases has been very, very rapid. We do seem to be reaching a plateau though. The tools and models from 6 months ago are just about as good as the ones from today. And China's models from today are better than the US's models from 6 months ago, but at a fraction of the cost.

So when I hear people talking about the "end of the world", I think a realistic case for that is that the AI tools that come out in the next few years will be good enough to do a fair amount of white-collar work, and we won't have a plan in place to deal with all of the now out-of-work people that leads to. Whole classes of jobs in areas like data entry, telemarketing, and customer support will be almost entirely automated out of existence. New classes of jobs will be created, of course, but it's hard to imagine them existing in sufficient numbers to make up for the losses. And this is just for LLM-workloads.

In other areas, other types of AI are already enabling robotic automation of factories and in the near-ish future might make self-driving truck fleets practical. This would be devastating because factory workers and truck drivers make up like 30% of the US workforce -- and again, there are no signs of new classes of jobs that could absorb the out-of-work workers, and no plans for a social safety net or wealth distribution.

So I'm not worried about a rogue AI unleashing some bioweapon or launching a nuclear attack. I'm worried about a bunch of CEOs deploying barely-acceptable AI to displace millions of workers as soon as it is safe(ish) to do so.

[–] skunk@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

This would be devastating because factory workers and truck drivers make up like 30% of the US workforce

This figure keeps getting thrown around and it is completely wrong. From the BLS, out of the 159 million non-farm workers in the US, only 1.47 million (less than 1%) work in 'Truck transportation', and not all of those individuals are 'truck drivers'. And, while 'factory workers' is very vague, the entire manufacturing sector - which includes far more people than just 'factory workers' - employs 12.6 million (7.9%).

The entire trucking and manufacturing sectors don't even amount to 9% of the US workforce, let alone just 'factory workers and truck drivers'.

Source: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm

Yes, precisely. It's not AI we need to be afraid of, but rather the same old capitalists that now have one more tool to ride the world into the ground in the name of greed.

[–] Azazel@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is exactly how I feel. I’m not even opposed to automation of these tasks on a fundamental level like some people might be. I just fear the transition won’t be thought out at all and will be devastating for the working class. The last time we had sudden automation of this scale was the Industrial Revolution which completely reshaped western society and was very bad for those who lived through it despite the eventual high modern standard of living it produced. I think this may end up going similarly.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 4 points 1 day ago

I have seen a similar curve in software development - 18 months ago it was highly debatable whether application of AI tools was a net-positive or not. 12 months ago the rate of improvement was very clear and the net-positive wasn't much of a question anymore. Today, the net positive contributions of LLM agents to software development and maintenance are undeniable, and as you say - there seems to be some plateauing, maybe - it's hard to tell.

Where I think things are going to continue to "improve" at a slower pace is application of the LLM agents to do better software development and maintenance. I've seen more serious Linux kernel bugs discovered - and patched - in the past 6 months than in the previous 5 years. That's a shift in the landscape, the older OSs aren't as secure for as long as they used to be, but once we're through this transition the newer OS versions should be significantly more secure than before - getting all the old stuff updated is going to be a painful transition.

Some of the continuing improvement is in using LLM agents to build better software building tools - as those come online and start to shed their sloppiness, they should genuinely accelerate a lot of aspects of software development. They'll never accelerate the process of extracting from users just what it is they need, but the turn around from having a product idea to having a product to try continues to shorten - as it has been shortening for 60+ years - but LLM agents have resulted in a significant speedup compared to previous progress.

I’m not worried about a rogue AI unleashing some bioweapon or launching a nuclear attack.

(In Yoda delivery) You should be. We all should be, not because AI will do it autonomously, or in retrospect unexpectedly, but because careless people may let this happen through AI where we have prevented it from happening up to this point.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 6 points 1 day ago (12 children)

This feels like the kind of narrative that OP is asking about. Everything that you've said sounds kind of sane and plausible, but it's not really borne out by the reality.

I think a realistic case for that is that the AI tools that come out in the next few years will be good enough to do a fair amount of white-collar work

That's just not what I've seen. I'd love to be able to automate the work of my white-collar team, but everything that we have seen thus far just seems incapable of providing any significant improvement. Software providers in our industry have implemented some gen AI tools, and even the sales reps for those providers are very wary of them. They've been able to reliably automate some elements of jobs, but it's an incremental improvement over the previous automation and it didn't consume a significant amount of time anyway.

There's absolutely no evidence that gen AI will have a significant impact on my white-collar industry. In fact, the evidence presently available indicates that this generation of AI does not have the capability to impact our industry.

other types of AI are already enabling robotic automation of factories and in the near-ish future might make self-driving truck fleets practical.

This is really the same story. Factories have been being automated since the industrial revolution. Self driving tech has been a year away for the last 10 years.

[–] artifex@piefed.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess the difference is that it I have actually seen it do legitimate work now. We have implemented outbound SDR and inbound tech support agents that do the right things. Our SDRs generate new leads for our (currently all-human) sales team to go after. They are boosting the numbers of closed deals. Our inbound tech support agents are closing a significant fraction of tickets. My last metrics call was yesterday, it was 12% of inbound tech support chats that never got escalated to a human. These are both first-draft tools, they'll improve. They cost pennies per session to run. And client NPS scores show that they're happy with the results. I don't think we'll see either of these tasks become 100% automated, but at even 25% or 50% that's a lot of formerly-human work not being done by humans anymore. And we're deploying more agents to handle more of the sales pipeline, development pipeline, HR and accounting. I don't work for a huge company, there are a few hundred people total. This isn't something that's coming, it's here already.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Do you mean you have a chatbot that formulates responses to tickets? Can it actually do anything or just tell customers what to do? 12% is a pretty underwhelming number. Obviously those tickets would not have consumed 12% of tech support operators time.

Sorry boss your answer is just the usual hype.

"I made a spreadsheet that does my job for me so now I just hang out on reddit".

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[–] Sibshops@feddit.cl 23 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I feel like the AI hype has died and people are trying to prop it up with doomsday scaring.

[–] Zeniv@lemmy.quasarke.net 11 points 1 day ago

The AI itself doesn't need self-awareness to kill us all. It just needs an idiot with too much money and even less self-awareness controlling it. We are already headed towards disaster in the US. https://themildtake.com/articles/2026-06-05-priced-for-rescue/

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[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Whatever. Ban all these people from employment and public assistance. Make them starve

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[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

These people are too high on their own supplies.

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[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

It is to distract us of real dangers we already see today: https://youtu.be/pauBYSQ1K_c

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago

its already here, mass surveillance under various "camera" companies/tech companies, Mass layoffs due to AI, inability to get jobs due to AI.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

It's been reported a few times that Ukraine is already using AI for drones.

The human operator chooses the target, the AI takes over and eliminates the target.

Is that "just an LLM"?

Seems more capable than that to me. But, I don't know if this is actually true, or just a claim to frighten the Russians (and me).

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

But, can someone talk about this in a way I can wrap my head around why the divide seems so big?

there are too many people who don't care about shit until they see results (good or not). like our greatest billionaires.

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