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[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 66 points 1 day ago (11 children)

By "nine times cheaper," they mean the fuel for the EV can cost as little as 1/9th as much as the fuel for a gasoline / petrol car.

That's great, as far as it goes, but depreciation per mile is usually a bigger cost than fuel. Other costs like registration taxes, insurance, and maintenance shouldn't be expected to follow this 1/9th pattern either, of course. You're not going to switch to an EV and find your total expense drops to 1/9th.

It feels to me like they're telling an incomplete story on purpose.

[–] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (17 children)

A large portion of depreciation and insurance is fixed, not based on actually driving. And maintenance is lower with EVs as well.

Still though, you are right, 1/9 is specific to fuel, and it's deceiving. If it.were truly 1/9 we wouldn't be having this conversation because all vehicles would be EVs.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it.were truly 1/9 we wouldn’t be having this conversation because all vehicles would be EVs.

"Battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) accounted for 97.8% of all new passenger car registrations in Norway through the first eight months of 2026, according to the Norwegian Road Federation (OFV)." source

"New energy vehicles (NEVs)—including pure electric and plug-in hybrid cars—accounted for a record 65.2% of new car sales in mainland China" source

[–] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah some markets are definitely adopting faster than others. Different tax regimes, incentives etc...

It will be interesting when Norways fleet share tips over to majority EV.

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[–] magnue@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (7 children)

What's there to maintain? Even the brakes barely get used.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

depreciation per mile is usually a bigger cost than fuel.

OK, this might be something that a fleet manager would care about, but the average driver wouldn't consider in a hundred years. You don't have to swipe your card and pay for depreciation every four days. Not to mention that depreciation has no bearing on vehicle type and little connection to physical reality at all.

And if anything, EVs maintenance is lower than expectations. There is no robust recycling of EV batteries for instance because it turns out that the batteries last reliably for 30 years and most of the ones produced are still in service. Also EVs are by nature simpler, with many components being solid state. ICE are rube goldberg masterpieces, the result of decades of continuous development.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Depreciation is irrelevant and only brought up by combustion promoters. A car is a tool, not an investment in itself. The only relevant metric is overall yearly cost until the car dies.

Changing cars every few years, which is where depreciation matters, is an expensive luxury no one actually has to play.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It says "cheaper to drive" not "cheaper to own."

Regardless, taxes and insurance are roughly the same. Maintenance on an EV is FAR less than an ICE car (no oil changes, fewer brake changes, fewer moving parts to replace over time). So if "fuel" is 1/9, and maintenance is just replacing the tires and putting in new wiper fluid, then driving is going to be much cheaper.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"to drive"

It's literally correct.

It's not 1/9th to own or registre. But it certinly is cheaper in reperations and service.

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[–] terrific@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's ironic that Trump's oil war is driving decarbonisation by pushing up oil prices. But I guess him and his friends are making lots of money on US oil.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

Trump's stock trades included a LOT of oil company stock the past few months. He's been raking in billions from this.

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (10 children)

yeah...and the electric vechicle cost 3x as more. takes ages to equal those out IF you can afford one.

[–] arc99@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

EVs cost about the same as petrol cars these days. The two cheapest cars on sale in the UK are actually EVs. Not good EVs, but still capable of being city runabouts.

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[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Meanwhile here in California we have inflated electricity prices so much that fueling costs are almost equal. EVs edge out gas cars a little, but not by that much.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Damn if that's the case, solar installations there should pay itself a lot faster huh?

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just by googling the electricity prices in California, I'd venture a guess and say yes. Unless it's particularly expensive to install there.

Here where I live, in Estonia, electricity is about a third to a half of the price of California if you get a fixed plan, or it gets super expensive in the winter when solar is useless, and super cheap (sometimes free energy, but grid fee still applies) in the summer when solar output is awesome thanks to the super long days, if you don't have a fixed plan. Installing solar panels without hefty batteries wouldn't pay off in 2026 (the only real benefit is on a fixed plan in the summer so you don't have to use grid power at all). In comparison, California has way less seasonal variability in production and as I understand it, less seasonal variability in demand too (our heating systems haul ASS in the winter, our record peak power consumption happened Feb 5th of this year).

[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unless it's particularly expensive to install there.

It is famously expensive here.

In comparison, California has way less seasonal variability in production

It depends on where in California the installation is. We have regions that get significant sun year round, and others that are under a coastal marine/stratus cloud layer for long periods of time. We also have alpine areas that have seasonal weather like you're describing, but relatively fewer people live in those areas.

Upside... the surfing is still good when its cloudy. :-)

[–] logi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It depends on where in California

You'll have much less variability in the length of the day though. If you transported Estonia to North America, it would extend from the northern border of British Columbia and about a quarter of the way down to Vancouver. The shortest day is 5h36m in Tallin vs 9h17m in Redding, for a northern CA town. That sun will also be much lower in the sky in Tallin.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago

And heavily subsidised petrol and diesel

[–] J92@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Tbf our electricity is expensive enough to scare away industry from the uk. And yet this fact appears true because diesel has shat its pants.

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[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

But unfortunately when you look at the total cost of ownership the price premium you pay for an EV over it's ICE equivalent here in the UK and the typical ownership period of 3-4 years due to the majority being "purchased" using PCP (personal contract purchase) that has a balloon payment at the end very few pay means most people will never actually make a saving.

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't really blame the PCP. It's not as predatory as it sounds at first, especially considering it uses the wording "balloon payment" for one of the options at the end of the term. The horrible value you'd get on a PCP is nearly the same as the depreciation plus interest you'd have on a normal car loan over the same ownership period if you were to sell. Meanwhile traditional leases are far less flexible, often not even offering a buyout option, let alone one at a price guaranteed by contract.

The bad value is in wanting to drive a new vehicle. There's practically no upside to buying new over used, even if it's only 30k miles or so on it.

For EV's specifically people also drastically underestimate the battery lifespan based on early gen Nissan Leaf's and similar early vehicles lacking a true battery thermal management system. There are excellent deals to be had for 3-4yr old EVs.

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