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Can someone explain to me how my state got everything else right for the most part but went stupid for this one?

Literally, let's inspect little girls privates, but not boys, because 10 trans students exist and MIGHT want to play sports with their friends? Jesus.

It was also kind of disgusting that literally all our state initiatives were funded by a 1%-er, Brian Heywood and his Let's Go Washingtion PAC.

Edit: couple transphobes showing their colors here. Not only do they have a bad understanding of how hormones affect the body, degrading muscle mass and bone density in trans women for example, it also is just a dog whistle and avoids the real issue.

Segregating trans folk from sports is just another way to demoralize and dehumanize a small subset of the population. "If you're not trans, you can play sports with your friends. You're not really a girl/boy anyway." It's disgusting. Do we need trans drinking fountains too? It's attempting to instill these thoughts into children. In children's sports. Which are just kids playing together and enjoying their lives. It SHOULD NOT MATTER if a boy plays soccer with a girl or a girl plays football with a boy. Let kids be fucking kids. Ask kids after they play with each other if one of them should be excluded. The kids understand it better than the adults pushing narratives who often don't even have children. The kids just want to play together and do a better job of being accepting in group play than these conservative, lonely incels.

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[–] savvie@lemmy.zip 75 points 2 days ago (13 children)

The measure says students in elementary, middle and high school who want to join girls’ athletics must first submit statements from their healthcare providers verifying their “biological sex”. Opponents have raised alarms the measure may force girls to endure “invasive and extreme” genital exams to participate in school sports.

Epstein is getting hard in is grave

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That is just humiliating. These aren’t professional sports leagues for god’s sake.

[–] jve@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What the fuck.

And specifically targeting girls. How the fuck does something like this even get on the ballot?

[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 days ago

Brian Heywood, a republican millionaire who moved to WA from California to "escape liberals", has been abusing the ballot initiative system here using his wealth for years. He (and his PAC "Let's Go Washington") purposefully makes them misleading or otherwise confusing to understand in order to get them passed.

A silver lining is that most of his initiatives haven't passed (such as the initiative to repeal the millionaire tax), and those few that have over the years have been gutted, heavily modified, or found to be unconstitutional in the state supreme court. The supreme court here just became even more left leaning, and since the way he wrote the initiative makes it only apply to girls, it's likely to be thrown out.

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Thankfully it's got a good shot at being ruled unconstitutional, assuming the supreme court doesn't fuck that up too.

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

The measure "may" force girls to endure invasive and extreme genital exams? I'm pretty sure having one's genitals examined, especially when a minor, is invasive and extreme.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

Can the state supreme court block it?

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We won the war but lost the battle... Also this is sure to get sued and challenged as it's a direct discrimination based on sex and title IX prohibits that shit

[–] chewypoops@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

The State Constitution also prohibits this. It will hopefully never take effect because a state court must shut this down.

It wouldn't be the first right-wing ballot initiative to go directly into the trash in this state.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 5 points 2 days ago

The war is ongoing make no mistake.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This just adds another barrier and pathway to abuse to women's sports

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

Transphobia comes from misogyny, they want to hurt both the cis girls and the trans girls.

That's the point! Brian Heywood wants girls and women to avoid playing sports.

[–] zimy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I think a lot of the left is being willfully ignorant of other people's viewpoints and I find it frustrating.

  1. The vast majority of people voting for this did not know all the content of the bill, "keep boys out of girls sports" is probably the most they heard about it, not the genital checking.
  2. Plenty of centrists and even right-leaning people are OK with adults doing what they want, but are still very protective of children. Limiting children from hormones is not considered a violation of trans rights for most people; rights have always been segmented by adulthood, the same way a child does not have the right to vote or join the military or get a tattoo. I think a large part of the issue is that the left (or any political ideology) is not really cohesive and is several ontologies in a trench coat; the popular rhetoric (woke version 1 as AOC calls it) from the left has been that gender is a social construct and is divorced from biological sex, if that's the case then why do trans children need hormones to be their preferred gender? As a fellow leftist I understand everyone experiences gender and it's relationship to society differently (euphoria vs dysphoria, etc.), but there has been a major nuance gap in public discourse which leaves many Americans feel like the left has pulled a bait and switch on them.
  3. Society has spent decades promoting girl's and women's sports and now feel like that's being trampled upon by allowing biological males (who have a distinct physical advantage) dominating their space. It'd be like getting rid of weight classifications in power lifting, anyone under 6 feet would never win again and short people would be ousted out of another sport.
[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately I can't disagree. I do wish people would look something up rather than assume as the initiative did at least say that "it would require verification of a student's biological sex." I guess people didn't ask the obvious next question of "how?"

Proper education and understanding is one of the biggest issues in society. We're always moving too fast as society intends, so that we're too tired to think about things, we've got bills to pay, and social media primes us to make and stand behind snap judgements.

We really didn't circulate this ad enough.

https://youtu.be/Gt_IZoM9KuQ

Thankfully it should get immediately challenged at the state level based on discrimination since it only applies to girls.

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[–] I_like_to_smell_it@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Congrats you have banned 1% of children from a leisure activity and now require minors to present their genitals to adults of no relation.

[–] desu@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

1% is a huge overstatement. There's like 4 in the whole state.

[–] I_like_to_smell_it@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

4 trans minors in the entire state? I am doubtful.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can someone explain to me how my state got everything else right for the most part but went stupid for this one?

If that's an actual question, my guess at an answer is that since this election's blue wave was more voting against Republicans than for Democrats, it's not a sign of fundamental change among the electorate. People mostly still believe today what they believed a few years ago (though there's clear leftward shift), and one of the few genuinely popular things Republicans have is their anti-trans agenda. Therefore when typically Republican-leaning people got to vote on it, they voted against Republicans and simultaneously against trans rights. This is doubly so because trans women in sports is one issue where Republicans can actually make a seemingly rational (but wrong) argument for their case.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some things lag in politics. Trans kids in sports are the new boogeyman so most people have a hard time accepting the premise. If trans kids are going to be excluded we at least need to focus on education and general acceptance. When I was in high school pretty much nobody was openly gay although I like to think we wouldn't have treated them like lepers (probably would have). Meeting LGBTQ people in college was common though and a lot of us got over our fears and misconceptions. I've met maybe 3-4 trans people in my entire life but in actuality it was probably more because they didn't feel safe to present as the opposite gender. Unfortunately I think it will take time to get over the initial shock and the best we can do is to try and defend their right to self-determination and encourage them to be who they are so everyone can see this is really no big deal.

Also from a purely propaganda point it's a great wedge issue, mostly because it's what I like to call a grey water issue wherein theres a lot of nuance involved so it makes people stupid. Ideally people would stop being stupid and handle this based on an instance by instance basis especially since there are so few trans folks to begin with.

Mind you I know enough about biology to know that it's a rainbow of fucken grey, because biology abhors easy answers. There's no such thing as a perfect specimen only a type specimen and even that's ignoring a lot of variation.

[–] Blibly@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (6 children)

This dumb bullshit better get overturned ffs

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[–] Tac0caT@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Super disappointed and the ballot guides argument for and against focused on very stupid points and not on anything to do with facts about transwomen and girls, not highlighted the discrepancies of greeting girls and women different from boys and men.

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

I don't want to take away from your point, but I do want to point out that "trans women and girls" is probably a better written version of the same phonetic statement simply because trans is being used an adjective like "brilliant" or "gorgeous" or "empowered"

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[–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Serious question: does this explicitly say that the person whose job it is to inspect the genitals of girls cannot touch the girls?

If not, there's almost certainly going to be a pedo in this position taking advantage of this new rule to touch underage girls' genitalia

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The article says statement from their healthcare provider, so they should be subject to the Hippocratic oath.

History shows that to be very optional

[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago

Ain't nobody got deductible money round here! This is going to quickly turn into the pedoiest doctor around setting up shop in the gym a few times a year, with a perfectly legal "show a little pussy for play" stand where all the girls flash gash for a sticker and a lollipop.

He'll probably get away with "needing more than a glance" too. As I'm sure "woman" is defined in such a way as to require more than labia.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow I thought Washington was inclusive

[–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Depends on which side of the mountains

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

If you look at the map, pretty much the whole state outside of Seattle metro voted for it :(

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Certainly the people implementing these bills and initiatives have a better sense of reality than the idiots voting for them, and so thus must have some sort of even worse goal.... Right?

Like, maybe their goal is to just split people, and isn't entirely horrific laws based on pure fear, ignorance, and bigotry... Right?

...right?

I'm so tired.

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[–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

If you get an explanation, let me know. I'm dumbfounded by this one.

Nearly every other thing I voted on went the way I expected/voted, off the top of my head the only ones that didn't were a state supreme court race and a local city election.

How did we get the other two state initiatives right but this one wrong??

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