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[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 57 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

This entire post is precisely the problem. The fact that everyone here is conflating sex with mental health support is the reason why men's mental health isn't being taken seriously.

Men are not socialized to, and even actively discouraged from being emotionally vulnerable with each other.

We won't need men doing more fucking, we need men to sit down together and talk about their depression, and we need other men to be supportive and not downplay these conversations with sexist or homophobic slurs.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 hours ago

Exactly what I interpreted from this too. Posting a bunch of stats on sex and marriage as if they're a remedy for loneliness ignores the fact that people absolutely can feel lonely while having both.

Men do absolutely need to be better with each other but women do perpetuate this also.

The modern concept of masculinity is completely broken. Long ago it used to be about being a protector, now it's about anger, dominance, power, emotional dysregulation, resource hoarding (most of which provide little benefit to society at large).

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 points 2 hours ago

A co-worker keept telling me he knows what's wrong with me and that I just need to fuck. I so wanted to strangle him, because I'd imagine that would make you less focused.

Another keeps insisting I grab (a married co-worker) by the pussy.

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What are stats on suicide rate for men? Or depression? Wouldn't those be much better indicator than whether or not they had sex or marriage?

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 points 9 hours ago

Depends if you are on 4chan of not

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 34 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"Male loneliness epidemic" is about male friendships more than anything no?

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 hours ago

That's definitely one sense, and the one that's actually an issue. But I've read enough headlines and yt subject lines to pick up on there also being some muddying of the waters with romantic female companionship. Or rather lack thereof as being a key part of the crisis.

[–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 30 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Shit. I've had sex that made me feel even more alone than before.

(Had to figure out how to word that.)

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

With modern contraceptive technology we can have sex thats completely meaningless, where both parties are trying to achieve a deeper connection (to something, not even necessarily to each other) and misguidedly hope it can be achieved through a simple release. Its almost dystopian.

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 138 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yea everyone knows as soon as you have sex once you never feel lonely again.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 43 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Seems like a lot of incels really believe it though

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Indeed, which may actually be the source of their problems, or at least one of them.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah when they fixate on sex it generally results in a bunch of behaviors and personality traits that make them unpleasant to be around and often make other people (particularly women) dislike or even fear the idea of sex with them.

I also honestly think a lot of it comes down to homophobia. I think there's a lot of closeted or Kinsey 3+ bi men that are prevented from being happy with a male partner and even more importantly it keeps straight men from pursuing platonically fulfilling emotional intimacy from other men. I often deal with sexual transference behaviors out of male patients (when I try to help them emotionally they develop sexual attraction) and it can be difficult to both find a male staff member to model appropriate nonsexual emotional intimacy to them and to get the patient to accept the healthier experience / teaching.

TLDR there's a lot of things I would like to do to help solve the male loneliness epidemic because it's a very real thing but I'm AFAB and NB at best and 90% of the work needs to be done by men helping other men, so I'm functionally helpless to do so.

[–] timik_pipik@lemy.lol 4 points 9 hours ago

In my experience (as in my classmates(, you couldn't be more right.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

Yeah, totally! Getting my dick wet is precisely the kind of emotional and intellectual connection I'm missing! The penis is my data transfer cable.

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 18 points 14 hours ago

The penis is my data transfer cable.

That could almost be a CAKE lyric

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 15 hours ago

[USB Connection sound]

Remember to safely unmount

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Shit, 4 more years and I will be in 10%.

[–] nectar45@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 hours ago

This is terrible news....

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 37 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

"premarital sex" also known as sex

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 15 hours ago

yeah but it was a one night stand so you know it made them feel extra less lonely

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 73 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

How does having sex once same as not being lonely? Sure I am lonely and virgin. But, I could just as easily be not virgin and still lonely AF.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yea, I would imagine a 30-40 yo virgin may end up getting a sex worker. having sex with a sex worker doesn't really reduce loneliness.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Some just gotta have sex before they can acknowlege that it might not be all their life is missing. Teenage hormones are so over-the-top, its a wonder so many of these men live long enough to voice their beliefs from the older age brackets.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"Male loneliness epidemic" = "all lives matter." Though counterintuitive, they both attempt to bring increased attention to men on an issue that is already universal. There is a loneliness epidemic conversation you could join.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

“Male loneliness epidemic” = “all lives matter.”

I disagree, ALM is a whataboutism meant to distract from the BLM movement. There is no loneliness epidemic movement, so if some men want to get together and discuss how loneliness particularly affects them, good for them.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 231 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Anon conflates the desire for a more involved and expanded social life with just having sex, thereby perfectly explaining their lack of a more involved and expanded social life.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 51 points 1 day ago

That’s definitely a decent chunk of what people in the media who talk about the ‘male loneliness epidemic’ are talking about, though. I don’t think I’ve read a single article about it that doesn’t devote time to how little sex young men allegedly aren’t having.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)
>It's not just about getting laid (though that's part of it.)
>It's also about friends
>But even in the "getting laid" part, it's moreso about a real emotional connection in conjunction with the sex, I believe they're called "relationships."
>while some is just incels, it's also normal people
>If we had more Third Spaces that aren't centered around booze and money, it'd go a long way to helping the issue
>it's not just men.

The "while some is just incels" in your code comment part had me for a while, genuinely made me think of programming

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 63 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
  1. That is sex. You can have all the sex you want and still be lonely.
  2. Those stats are probably the "we asked some people" kind which means everyone who had their first relationship at 24 will say that "oh yeah technically i was with that random girl in grade school so you know what lets say its 12"
[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

She went to a different school you wouldn't know her

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 23 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Those stats cannot be right.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

They’re not.

A quick google search:

In Japan, roughly 50% of young adults aged 18-29 report being virgins.

In the UK, about 46% of people aged 16-24 identify as virgins

10% of US males under 34 are virgins. (Source)

EDIT: The OP seems to be citing data from at least 15 years ago. But that’s precisely the problem: the world seems to have changed in that time. We have 3 times the number of virgins across age groups in just a few years, for instance.

[–] seggturkasz@lemmy.world 17 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

That is not how source work. Without citation you are just claiming that it is a different number. This is in no way better than what you are disputing.

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

It's from this site which seems to aggregate different sources.
I dont know what it's worth.

edit: typo

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 9 points 20 hours ago

It made me feel better so it's real now.

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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

16.8? jesus.

I wanna see some breakdowns of these stats by country and socioeconomic factors

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[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 18 points 23 hours ago

They also want to capture the "lonely man" demographic and make them feel like it's not their fault, engage them and get their clicks/dollars.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 25 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Yup. the sexual loneliness epidemic is easing up, because we're all fighting back to 'normal'. But ask most men this simple question: how many non-sexual friends do you have in your life that you communicate with more than once a week?

[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

i think a simple "what do you feel right now" would stump half the population.

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