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State officials promise large-scale involuntary addiction and mental health treatment at Salt Lake City’s edge. Critics see “a prison, or a warehouse.”

Needless to say, people don't go by choice, can't leave when they want. Might be a concentration camp instead of a jail, since there's no legal reason to force somebody into it:

As Mr. Shumway describes it, nearly two-thirds of the 1,300 homeless people potentially sent to the site could be there for involuntary treatment. About 400 beds would be set aside for psychiatric treatment. Another 400 beds would provide substance abuse treatment “as an alternative to jail,” he said, with entry and exit “not voluntary.”

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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 23 points 8 months ago

It 100% is a concentration camp. Not even remotely our first though. And anyone who believes that psychopathic or sociopathic groups, that revel in mental and physical abuse. Will even attempt to provide psychiatric help, needs help themselves.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

“An accountability center is involuntary, OK — you’re not coming in and out,” Randy Shumway, chairman of the state Homeless Services Board, said in an interview. Utah will end a harmful “culture of permissiveness,” he said, and guide homeless people “towards human thriving.”

Surely the Orwellian naming conventions of this shit was not lost on any of them

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Ask a homeless person if they'd like to stay in their own hotel room for free and see how fast their "culture" changes.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

You know I've been told Utah is a lovely place but all I see is theocratic rot masquerading as a state. The failure to deal with the Mormons in a more permanent way has been disastrous for society.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

In an interview at his Salt Lake City office, Mr. Shumway, 53, toggled between the language of the boardroom and the pulpit. He said a “management consulting approach” would make homeless services more efficient (“we nerd out on things like Six Sigma and lean process re-engineering”), measuring individual progress through a system of behavioral targets he calls “the pathway to human thriving.”

They’re going to murder them.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

we nerd out on things like Six Sigma and lean process re-engineering

Oh, god, one of those assholes. The long-running joke about Agile, Lean, Scrum, and some of these other processes is that they are run much like a cult, but if you work somewhere that has been infected with them, you either have to find or set up another job without this poison, or you have to at least parrot the bullshit.

It's like a combo of Lysenkoism mixed with Amway...also, just like Republicanism or Communism, the process can never fail, it's only people that fail the process.... 🙄

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In some cases I'm sure, but the more common result will probably be long term imprisonment and servitude. They'll set these people up to fail one way or another.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Found the Trekkie. LLAP brother.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Clearly somebody muddled in the timeline, this shit was supposed to end in 2024 not start in 2025

[–] morriscox@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How is this different from being jailed and receiving treatment? It looks like they want to avoid being accused of arresting/imprisoning thousands and eventually hundreds of thousands of people by doing the same thing with a different name.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 10 points 8 months ago

The only "crime" is not having a home. So its "treating" it by sending people to a prison without due process

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What kind of "treatment" do you think will be given?

[–] morriscox@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Previously? Or now? Someone that I have known for a long time got treatment and she said that it sucked. She almost died twice. Even with the best of intentions (yeah, right) I expect a poor experience especially at the scale that they are talking about. However, my question is why are they doing the equivalent of arresting someone and sending them to treatment by saying that they are sending people to treatment without the formality of arresting them.