Zebrafive

'Trying to use logic' Thinking

Could have said that from the beginning. Im not attacking anyone or being a child because I am in fact an adult. When someone asks for clarification typically there is a response-this is how communication generally happens between adults.

Like this 'What did you mean by that?' ' I meant this.' 'OK. Because I thought you meant this, great.'

So no, I do not see why you delayed a response because it could have been far less dialogue had you said 'its not that deep bro, I just dislike this thing happening and I didn't think too muchh about what I typed'

Again with the popularity thing?

'Soldier boy' singled out because you used the term incorrectly showing a lack of understanding (thats OK Im here to help-- I do understand, you just have to set aside some ego)

'Jarhead' singled out because it was used incorrectly showing a lack of understanding again.

No, you do not need to do anything. I can see you lack the positive spirit of truth seeking, accountability and international cooperation and I cannot help that.

Popular agreement does not equate to correctness.

You did reply. 'Not worth replying to' - parroting the others, riding the popularity...

'Jarhead' is a word-it does not apply to me. Using inciteful words you do not understand or rather do not understand the intended target (me) whom you've not taken one ounce of effort to understand

While

Making a simple, short, low effort claim, I see this and I want more information to understand your positions more clearly.

You, on the other hand, could not care less about what my position is even though I am in a place to understand this issue on a more intimate level...

Group X v Group Y The less those two groups attempt to understand eachother the more likely chaos, division, hatred, and or violence is to occur.

'Resign' A lot of people did have this opportunity, but many did not because they have a 4-10 year contract when they enlisted initially. So, this is mostly fair-and a many people have resigned at the end of the contract, and many have not

One can resign thru being a conscientious objector but Im not sure how that works and likely your average sailor, soldier, or marine does not know how it works or even that it is an opportunity. Still, lack of knowledge-legally is not a defense, but ethically it is a consideration.

'Dont sign up in the first place' This is valid. However, for many people, they are living in poor conditions and feel themselves to have no other options economically to sustain their life. They are still complicit yes, but it is worth considering. Making a decision like under duress is not exactly informed consent.

Your last point I also agree with you. It is very unfortunate, the conservative MAGAs......It is shameful and disgusting how they have risen to power and maintained that power.

But once you are on that ship with years left on a contract, it is a little naaive to think they can just stop. I would be keen to hear from someone who is German and has had Nazi party ancestors chime in. Or just German in general Im aware you are all quite liberal and educated about your past, I believe.

Ill give it a read.

I just think that (1) its mentally easy to quickly assign blame on others, (2) it is not necessarily accurate when one does not specify whom (which person(s) (3) or aligned with the current international legal standards for crimes or violations. It might be unreasonable to expect 'everyone' to hold the same values as high level policy makers, but it is a point to be made.

But the statement that all are complicit but not responsible is a modern accurate statement in my viewpoint.

All Americans that pay taxes are complicit. Unless they have made every reasonable attempt to leave the country. (Myself included).

There are varying levels of responsibility and accompanying guilt- but this is sort of a slippery slope to think like this but it is true.

An international trial would not convict all Americans of a crime and then sentence them. The trial would convict 'natural persons' whom made the decisions, and also 'natural persons' whom performed aggression such as a drone operator, possibly aviators, (but only true in Nuremberg to a limited extent ) but there are thousands aboard the ship whom are indeed complicit but

I would not sentence them to death, writ large, or else. At the most a fine or some injunctions regarding federal or military employment and or voting.

The wars in Sudan--- The war in Ukraine-- I feel bad for all of them, I know many Russians are forced to die at the hands of the state. To much lesser degree some Americans are forced to facilitate war thru less bold or violent mechanisms.

Undoubtedly the Iranians noninvolved are suffering orders of magnitude greater than the 'boys' ln ship. But comparing suffering is not helpful on the individual level. The system level, it is certainly.

Even though some I feel bad for may be responsible or complicit in the violence.

And online, you and many other American supporters whine saying "Not all of us are like that!".

I am American, I am not an 'American Supporter'.

I agree the 'not all of us are like that' argument is bad.

Im fact I hate that the country is doing what it is doing and has been for so long. It sucks, its embarrassing.

What I am I really saying is that responsibility for the acts of violence, is often attributed to the 'wrong' people. And so I was seeking some clarification.

I would agree with a Dutchman or an Iranian saying 'America and all of its citizens are responsible for the violence, and it is bad'. I can accept this is a fairly true snd congruent statement.

I would not agree with an American saying that an unspecified group of people (individuals)onboard a ship are responsible for the violence whilst they share no responsibility in it, are morally superior and clean.

'CARRYING OUT' also would require some explaining.

If were to host Nuremberg 2.0 for America. 'CARRYING OUT' could mean lots of things.

The fact is that the causality of our acts of violence are distributed---and if we begin to assign levels of complictness to individuals and groups we ought to do so carefully. Voting, for example, is not the only way one can be complicit (or increase their complictness). Agency is a real factor.

Incorrect My argument was asking for more information and the commenter has yet to make reply.

Likely very true.

I can imagine that the surfacing of these articles will prompt the Executive to blame the Navy, demand a fix and gloat about it when they get replenished and host some big food event event aboard. All while the senior Naval leadership (Aboard) has likely been complaining and signaling about this possibility for awhile now.

Because many people on-board that vessel have encountered likely the exact situation many times over.

I dont support the war but what would you have them do?

-Jump off the aircraft carrier in droves and die? -Try to mutiny? ----How to go about a mutiny? ----You cannot proselytize easily on-board. ----Assuming you do amass a sizeable motivated group, how do you plan your takeover? You need to consider ongoing logistics like food, water, and waste management. You need to organize navigation and direction of travel. ----Any effort would result failure eventually. -Kill themselves another way? -Sit in their racks all day until they fly off all protestors and discharge them under conscientious.objector clause? (Probably also serving a sentemce in the brig and or Leavenworth)

-Assume that nothing can be done and blame it all on the act of enlisting? ----There will always be young people that want to enlist --------Economic reasons. Recruiters pushing bullshit (financial incentive for recruiters). Parental /ancestral pride motivation. (My grandmother was in the Marines and my uncle too, eg.). Impulsive behaviour. Dares. 'Wanting a challenge'. And yes, Wanting to participate in war / kill people (i think exceedingly rare except im specific niches like some Army and Marine Corps communities / jobs.

I simply think putting the accountability on the pawns is easy, yes, but also not very tolerant and very narrow-minded.

So let's starve the pawns to death and replace them by draft all while the dukes and priestesses of the war machine are living rich, insulated, and good lives. Rinse and repeat until we have massacred our young and scarred generations.

Possobly a supplier used:

NBG_01OCT2021.pdf https://share.google/aYTdcIHrVeJ8uB8eW

Processed ITEM 4 GYRO MEAT, SLICED

IQF 1/10# Raw Sliced Gyro - Kontos https://share.google/sgeo3F5VQKKWSl1RD

Hopefully this guy or gal that took the photo had some sauces they smothered on there before eating it. Bringing a few bottles of chicken fil a sauce is always prime.

I think the roast beef or something is labeled as 'gyro meat' aboard the carriers-experience.

What it is actually made of I have no idea.

The carrier often operates on a 'pay check to pay check' diet. The machine is packed with food stores, ammo, repair parts, etc and then it sallies forth.

The food is cooked, eaten, spoiled, otherwise consumed and must be replenished. Replenishing the machine is a huge phenomenon. Sometimes.the replenishing does not happen soon enough or there is rationing because they know the ritual of replenishment can only happen on x date which is a long way out.

With news articles like the one hyperlinked by someone, im sure the priests of the machine are going to ensure to gather a bountiful replenishment and spoil the men and women of the machine as soon as is actually possible--hopefully.

Isn't a bug that I can still view the content of your message or a feature?