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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

why do you think that? tell the public that X is a threat to america, so therefore we need to invade/obliterate X-- done, mission accomplished. see: bush 2

You are forgetting 2 very big reasons why Bush was able to start that war

[–] U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

i have a feeling you're about to support my point, so please--enlighten me

[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 hours ago

I believe it's a 9/11 reference, with the "two very big reasons" alluding to the Twin Towers.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Sure, but let me get ahead of what you're going to say. 9/11 provided the justification. As of right now, we have not had another 9/11 like event to justify invading another country. Citing a vague threat used to work immediately after 9/11, but that faded after about a decade. All you have to do is look at public opinion of the war in Afghanistan. The vague "threats' of danger stopped working.

Of course as with all horrible things about 30% of the dumbest demographic will support it no matter what.

[–] U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

The vague "threats’ of danger stopped working.

no offense, but you can't be serious.. the fascism we're living in right now is NOTHING BUT "vague threats"-- the brown people, the gays, the trans, the "woke"-- they're all coming to eat your children. and apparently that's all that's needed at this point, because, for one thing, we're watching the shit happen

we are not living in 2001. we're in fascist america 2026, where people take the words of the party (covid is a hoax) over the words of actual doctors (get a vaccine).

event to justify invading another country

please don't try to tell me that this nazi fascist authoritarian police state "government" won't do something without "justification"

you are still sitting there thinking that any molecule of trump's government feels like they need your approval to do whatever tf they want. can i tell you something? THEY DON'T

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago

no offense, but you can't be serious.. the fascism we're living in right now is NOTHING BUT "vague threats"-- the brown people, the gays, the trans, the "woke"-- they're all coming to eat your children. and apparently that's all that's needed at this point, because, for one thing, we're watching the shit happen

This isn't the wrong conclusion. I'd say about 30% of people believe that fully. 30% is enough to swing a primary when those 30% make up the majority of the Republican cacus.

Then you have another 15% of the population unwilling to switch parties, vague reasons on culture war issues or "fiscal conservatism".

The final 10% votes on shallow issues. Things like Biden being perceived as old, the economy doing poorly, abortion, or whatever they saw on Facebook last week.

please don't try to tell me that this nazi fascist authoritarian police state "government" won't do something without "justification"

I did not say that, I just don't think it would be recieved favorably.

you are still sitting there thinking that any molecule of trump's government feels like they need your approval to do whatever tf they want. can i tell you something? THEY DON'T

Neat, I also didn't say that. I undertake that even pre-Trump the US president could invade any country any time they wanted. They had the authority under law to do so.

What I did say was that if elections happen then a random foreign war would not be favorable for the majority party to retain their seats.

You've crafted a very passioned response, but I think you're saying it to the wrong people. Like I agree with most of what you're saying, it just doesn't fit the conversation of the effect a foreign war would have on elections.

I'm well aware the current government is fascist and will do fascist things.

[–] hector@lemmy.today -1 points 7 hours ago

Loyal tribal members, they aren't neccessarily dumb, though many are, they trust their tribe knows what they are doing. You can call that dumb, but how many people trust the democrats to know what they are doing? How many trusted kamala being anointed without a contest?

We all trust the wrong people, they just trust the worst people.