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no. different things are different.
Like, what a fucking stupid answer that can apply to anything and nothing at the same time.
Animals are animals, and humans are animals. Kangaroos are not cows, but both are also animals - different things ARE different, but at the same time, in some aspects, they are not.
Why doesn't my dog have a right to vote? Why can a snake eat eggs but I can't? Why is it OK for ants to farm aphids but not for humans to farm cows?
Different things are, in fact, different. There are lots of dead simple and airtight arguments for veganism without counterproductive emotional appeals. Talk about economics or ecology or health and not about sad puppy dog eyes.
Hell yeah! Morals are just a suggestion, lions eat their young, but I can't? That's bullshit and we all know it. If you wanna argue against eating our young (just the disabled ones, of course), please keep that melodramatic stuff out of here.
The attitude of someone who mistreats animals ☝️
I don't mistreat animals. this is libelous.
ok fair
paying someone to kill an animal so that you can consume its corpse is how you treat animals nicely, is it?
OK, so if negative fucks were a thing, that would be how may fucks in general i give about the actual argument you are having.
That being said, to me it seems hypocritical to be throwing shade about intentional animal cruelty unless you are somehow posting these replies without using any electronics whatsoever.
Almost all electronics require materials sourced or processed off the back of rare earth minerals not even mentioning the supply chain and assembly.
As you said, people are animals too, slavery and workplace mutilation are animal abuse.
I'm not whattabouting your argument, both things are fucked up and one doesn't cancel out the other and as i said, i'm not supporting either side.
but the stunning lack of awareness (or acknowledgement) of the hypocrisy of your argument is offensive.
I've never done that. most people haven't.
I've done that. Fresh turkey slaps.
You do it literally every time you purchase a meat product. Meat is made from the dead body of animals. When you buy it, you are retroactively paying for the slaughter of that animal.
money is still bound by linear time. the animal is already dead, and the person who did it is already paid.
You buy dead animal, they kill animal to put on shelf because you bought dead animal.
I'm not responsible for others actions
You're cool with people buying lampshades and soapsmade from killed holocaust victims?
what difference at this point would it make?
This might be shocking for a g*rman to hear but giving money to people perpetrating a holocaust is bad
the holocaust is over.
The non-human animal holocaust is ongoing. Would you be buying lampshades from human skin during the holocaust?
it's not a Holocaust. we don't want to wipe out livestock.
You know that others will resupply if you buy this thing. If you didn't knew until now that people resupply what you buy, now you know. Making you definitely are responsible from now on.
Imagine I throw candy at the floor an this kid always picks it up. Then I throw candy at the train tracks and the kid gets ran over. Am I not responsible for the kids actions?
knowledge, being a justified, true belief, precludes knowing the future. I cannot know what others will do.
I used "know" in the colloquial sense. Do you think it's unjustified to believe that they will resupply your demand?
since the future hasn't happened yet, no claim about it can, in the present moment, be true. so you can't know it.
I did not use the word "know" in the question "Do you think it’s unjustified to believe that they will resupply your demand?". Notably, I asked if it is unjustified to believe so.
if you will admit that it is impossible to know this, we can follow whatever tangent you like
You claimed it's impossible to know this in the philosophical sense, granted.
I clarified that my question was posed using "know" in the colloquial sense (i.e. to understand, to take cognition of). The question I originally asked is still unanswered.
people believe all kinds of things with varying levels of justification. i can probably come up with some justification, but that doesn't mean i know it.
So you think it's unjustified?
Or do you think it's justified? And therefore you believe that they will kill another animal to resupply the demand that you've contributed to.
I think I could invent a justification, but that doesn't make it sound.
You go to the grocery store without the belief they have resupplied?
Oh yeah, I'm sure the entire meat industry would continue to produce meat that nobody paid for just so they could let it all rot. If you want to eat meat, go ahead, but stop fucking lying to yourself about what you are responsible for. Every time you eat meat, a living creature suffered and died for it, and you gave someone money to facilitate that. That is the reality and you should accept it. Take responsibility for your choices instead of fleeing responsibility like a coward.
this is a nonsequitur.
what I said is true.
I'm responsible for my actions. I'm not responsible for what others chose to do in the past
That's what somebody who mistreats animals says