cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16451158
this post was submitted on 26 Mar 2026
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People deserve to vote for someone they actually support, not the least terrible option.
Stop blaming the voters.
Well said.
Or as I take it a little further (s/someone/what/ hinting at more direct democracy too):
Imagine getting to vote for what you want, not against who you don't want.
But I really like how you put it too.
They DO have the right to not vote, but they also DO have a civic duty to cast their votes. Voters are the ones who decide elections, and if the results are bad, it is up to voters to do better next time. I think this is less blaming, and more just people trying to hold the electorate accountable for their choices.
Are you sure about that?
Given the voter suppression & gerrymandering, the lobbying & corporate media consolidation, the electoral college & candidate selection process, the rigged proprietary voting machines & counting frauds, etc. etc. etc... [atop the First-Past-The-Post terror scam that coerces people to vote against who they most don't want between the perceived most likely to win].
More to mend than just getting people to "vote correctly".
You're not wrong, but the time to fix that is at the primary and not the general.
And yes, I'm aware the DNC has their thumb on the scale when it comes to the Democratic primary. So that means vote in your local elections too, so that there are actually progressive candidates to choose from instead of corporate-owned do-nothings.
Sure, people deserve better options. But the fucking point is that WHEN those options do NOT exist, voting for the WORSE option is fucking STUPID and supports fascism. When anyone convinces someone who wouldn't vote for the less bad option not to vote, FASCISM WINS.
The hour is later than you think, since both [sides of the purple party] are bought by the same interests.
There are even more less bad options, than the 2nd worst most likely to win. Baa-aa-aa-aad is still bad.
When people keep voting for the LESS BAD option when those better options do NOT exist, better options WON'T appear as voting LESS BAD removes the INCENTIVE for it. Therefore voting for the LESS BAD option ensures the options will always remain FASCISM and something slightly LESS BAD - no better options. If one wants better options, keep voting LESS BAD is fucking STUPID.
Your logic only applies to local/state elections. It does not apply to presidential elections.
If you vote 3rd party in a presidential election, you're a fool acknowleging you're incapable of doing basic math and fine with the worst case scenario.
Explain how does it not work? People not voting for the shitty D candidate, causing them to lose to R doesn't create an incentive for D to change course? Do I need to presrnt to you the last two years of intense D soul searching after Kamala lost?
Obvioisly that's part of the calculus. Most who question the lesser evil approach understand this. However you might not understand that no matter how hard you call people fools, that doesn't change the picture for people who've given up on voting for Turd Sandwich. Might even be achieving the opposite. A lot of people are done with the Turd Sandwich status quo and are either staying home or voting Giant Douche. Sounds like you have to give them something better to vote for if you don't want more Giant Douche.
Congrats, you just elected fascists.
I guess you'll have to do something about it then.
I am. I'm trying to teach people how not to support fascists.
When the general election hits, you will have two options (yea three or more). You can vote for the Republican, fascist candidate. Or you can vote for the Democratic candidate.
Anything other than - at that point - voting for the Dem is throwing your support behind fascists.
That is simple fact.
And that includes third parties.
Anything you want to try and do to change the system - because it fucking needs it - should be done before/outside of that process.
It's really not fucking complicated.
Can you spoil your ballot in protest?
I guess people would have to elect at least one more fascist gov't then. Cause people don't give a shit what the process is and won't vote for turd sandwich in sufficient numbers no matter how much you insist they do. And I'm not doing that. I'm merely trying to present the view of the person who doesn't buy this shit, didn't vote Kamala and won't vote Newsom no matter how hard you scold them.
And that's part of the reason we have fascists in charge.
Hope you feel proud of your principles when they disappear you into the camps too.
the democrats or the republicans?
I don't know, fucking genius, you tell me who fucking set ICE out murdering US citizens and throwing them into fucking camps? Are you a fucking fascist and trying to play around here and confuse people, or are you willfully this fucking goddamn fucking stupid? Either way, fascists certainly adore your contribution to the conversation.
ICE, started in 2003... remember when the Democrat party was in power, both times, all three terms since then, when they got rid of ICE and... ohhhh wait.
Solution space lays elsewhere.
Ignorance must be fucking bliss.
If ignorance is bliss, give me agony.
Some seem overly identified with theirs, and it does not look like they're in bliss by it. Maybe if we can help them stop identifying in such an unhealthy way... perhaps if we tell them:
The ignorance that dies is not you.
I don’t know, fucking genius, you tell me
Are you a fucking fascist and trying to play around here and confuse people, or are you willfully this fucking goddamn fucking stupid? Either way, fascists certainly adore your contribution to the conversation.
lol, good on yer trying to throw it back like that, but you have to put a unique spin on it or something. I lost my temper at you, but I stand by the spirit of it, even though I wish I'd been able to keep my temper better.
"you have to put a unique spin on it"
dont fucking tell me what to do
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Not if you live in reality.
I'll keep blaming voters who keep voting 3rd party in presidential elections thinking a third party can win when the last most popular 3rd party candidate in the 2024 election only got 0.5% of the total votes cast.
I'll keep blaming voters that can't do simple math and make the most intelligent decision based on the reality they live in.
I'm not going to stop you, I'm not your dad.