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Yes, yes, we’re stealing from social programs to fund a fucked up war machine to support Israel and randomly attack countries for any reason, yes.
But look, Harris was married to a Jewish man, ok? Morally, it was wrong to vote, or to vote for her. Right .ml? 👍 Plus, she wasn’t 100% onboard with transitioning herself. So. It makes complete sense that we tacitly support this.
I reluctantly voted for Harris, however I don't really see the point of lambasting voters in place of the DNC. If anyone is to blame it is the DNC for backing Biden despite his senility until the very last second, and then choosing not to run a primary.
The anger you have for abstainers needs to be aimed at the party heads who refuse to support anyone slightly progressive than center-right. If not the "progressive" party is going to continue to put up Ls election after election as more people tired of the system choose to stay home on voting day.
Fwiw I also blame the party heads and the ever-failing ‘consultants’. That’s more or less a constant. But this wasn’t, as some would have us believe, two horrible candidates. This was between supporting progressive initiatives and institutions and - well, all this. This fascism, corruption, degradation, humiliation, incompetence, and plain insanity.
Voting is the last line of defense. Refusing to do it for any reason, after seeing all the horrifying predictions come true, and still promoting it as reasonable or validated is abhorrent.
I disagree, Harris was a horrible candidate...... She lost to a fascist. And the reason she lost is because voters didn't want to show up to the polls to vote for a party/candidate that has stood aside for decades doing nothing but constantly shifting further and further right at the behest of their oppositions whims.
Nihilism among voters isn't the fault of the voters, it's the fault of the political apparatus. While I don't agree with abstaining from the vote, I understand why it happened, and I don't really blame the voters for doing so. This is the cumulative effect of Democrats promoting third way politics for nearly 40 years.
She was competent, and progressive enough to move us forward on everything.
The opportunity to not be here was available and they said, no we want to be here.
OK! Here we are then. How's it going. Bad? So many people here want to do it again, too.
Should the Democrats have run the greatest person in the world - smart, articulate, capable, beautiful, with no baggage and no moral qualms for anyone? Er, sure. Whatever. Yeah why didn't they do that?
At the end of the day, the choice is there. That's it.
Ahh yes, just as Joe Biden and Obama were competent and progressive enough to move us forward on "everything"...... That's why we live in luxury space communism.
The democratic party since the Clinton's has done nothing but shovel money to banks and insurance companies while "maintaining the status quo", that is of course after conservatives have already moved that status quo further and further to the right.
The democratic party had the ability to actually support popular programs and candidates that could win elections and chose not to do it. They would rather loose elections than actually support workers.
And how much you want to bet the DNC is going to crown another center right politician like Gavin Newsome for the next election?
It's funny that you're so liberal that's what you think the perfect candidate is. People would settle for someone who actually supported taxing billionaires, unions, Medicare for all, and clamping down on the greed of monopolies.
They refuse to do that because they are still obsessed with third way politics, and are benefiting from the same lobbying system as conservatives.
Except the third choice between a bad and a worse candidate for many people is to just disengage from the Democratic process. Which is what is happening. Which is why I blame the party that would rather lose than offer a systemic change that would upset their current hierarchical structure.
You’re not real big on governance or large organizations, i see. Well, that would explain your confusion on why we’re not living in luxury space communism. You see, once more than 5 people work towards a common goal, things take longer and involve something called “discussion”. Then you have your “rules”, “protocols”, “traditions”, “communications”, and a near-infinite set of contradictory opinions which must be managed such that progress can exist at all.
As a child, we think it’s easy, we all agree - let’s do it. But as an adult we find it doesn’t exactly work like that. At all.
It's funny you’re so . . conservative? Libertarian? Anarcho-syndicalist? . . . That you think that candidate could win in this environment. I love the idea - heck I’d vote for that, but you see this? Look around you - this is called “a bubble”. It’s not an analog to the real world. And your “perfect candidate” would not win, period.
Which, ironically, seems to be okie dokie with . . Uh, your . . type?
And so, we return you to your demented fascist hellscape, already in progress. So to speak. As this is what you didn’t vote against. Enjoy.
Yeah, That's why I'm a socialist, because Im not big on governance or large organizations.....
Lol, and that requires the DNC to pander towards lobbyist groups and constantly meet the demands of fascist?
Insert enlightened centerist meme. Governments around the world, including the US under FDR have forced real progressive change. It doesn't take shaking hands with the right, it takes actual political will. The current DNC are just happy with the current status quo which allows them to pad their own wallets.
Instead of embracing left winged populism, the DNC ran a 90 year old man and then a center right girl boss cop. Truly a mark of political brilliance.....
People clearly want change, which is what trump promised them. It's how fascist have come to power throughout history. When the "progressive" party of the age fails to offer real progressive change a fascist will come to fill in that political void.
Lol, if you can recall I started this conversation stating that I begrudgingly voted for Harris?
Oh you’re right, my mistake. Well, I certainly will support a candidate that can win and deliver all the luxury space communism goods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spartan_Shield
Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
Right but this is different as it could have been
Plus openly robbing health and education without even being asked is, well, “new”.
DC is bumper-to-bumper guys heading to think tank jobs to lobby the defunding of health and education programs. We've been doing this Murray Rothbard's heyday. It's one of the various "third-rail" issues of politics that politicians keep getting bribed into grabbing.
For the umptenth time, they didn't tacitly support pedohitler! They just didn't vote for harris because reasons (that they'll never disclose)!
On, right, actually, they didn't vote for her because, since the country was already slowly falling into fascism, why should they vote for something that wasn't 100% fascist? It's better to go full fash now so people wake up.
Yup, that last paragraph is a reply I got from one of them, fml.
It’s sad, innit.
Dems have been complicite in every Pentagon budget for decades. Gave Trump billions more than he asked for during his first term. Dems are as openly warhawkish as republicans. Not to mention, Biden's own team is admitting they were planning on bombing Iran if Biden won a second term. Harris wanted the most lethal military and considers “all options are on the table.” regarding war with Iran
If they pushed for higher wages like we demanded we wouldnt be needing as many social programs.
Bullshit. Please tell us who ‘Biden’s own team’ is, and what plans they had to ‘bomb Iran if he won a second term’. That article was bullshit and now you’ve embellished it and made it gospel.
Adults in government say ‘all options are on the table’ as a matter of course. It doesn’t mean they’re demented and incompetent enough to get into a shooting war with no fucking plan and that they’re incapable of sitting through a big boy briefing without video game explosion videos.
Both sides same? For fuck’s sake what the fuck is wrong with you people. You not only want to boil the ocean, you think it can be done in two years. Thinking like a child. “Class struggle” at ml voting for the boot how odd.
You should be expressing your page at your inept party instead of lashing out at those pointing out you support fascists
I express my page at my party and lash out at dead weight idiots who can’t put a reasoned argument together to save their lives.
Liberals don't hold their own accountable, if they did there would be no trump.
Ugh.
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