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To those in countries where democracy might last another election - harm reduction is not optional (lemmy.world)
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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

One one hand harm reduction is nice, but on the other I have seen exactly nothing from Western politics these past few years to convince me that any harm is being reduced.

For fuck's sake, have you not looked around to see what's happened these past six fucking months?

The principle of harm reduction requires serious, productive action (so not canvassing and voter drives, for the love of God stop doing voter drives)

"Stop performing one of the core functions of harm reduction that attempts to reduce harm!"

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to be taken during the period when the harm is reduced to push democracy off its collision course with fascism.

Pointed out below. But I guess it's not fast enough for your tastes, so let's do nothing and usher in the fascists to power instead. After all, politics are like a magical pendulum, where one side winning means the other side must get an equivalent win eventually!

When progressives don’t take that serious action—or worse, actively shut down said action—

When the fuck are progressives shutting down serious action?

they’re simply kicking the can down the road, turning harm “reduction” from a credible strategy to a farce.

You're absolutely right. In the wise words of a political party canvassing for seemingly everything a good fucking third of the 'left' commenters here have come to adore, we're all going to die someday. So why not as soon as possible?

Critical support for harm acceleration! Fuck those minorities anyway.

I don’t disagree with the principle, but where’s the action necessary for any of this to make sense? Because as far as I can see, harm reduction in America was the farce version.

"We've managed to make 'socialism' into an acceptable word in politics and almost got a democratic socialist into a major party's nomination twice in the past ten years, in a country which has been immensely hostile to any socialist ideas for at least 70 years, and in an intensified period of anti-government right-wing insanity since 1980."

"Clearly you haven't been making any progress, shitlib! Time to abandon all levers of power to the fascists."

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For fuck's sake, have you not looked around to see what's happened these past six fucking months?

I have, and I know that without the serious action I was talking about it was a question of whether Alligator Alcatraz would've been opened in 2025 or 2029, with maybe a small chance of 2033. There was nothing unique about 2025 that made it the ideal timing for a fascist takeover.

"Stop performing one of the core functions of harm reduction that attempts to reduce harm!"

Well as long as all or most of your energy is going to harm reduction you'll only ever end up with fascism.

Pointed out below. But I guess it's not fast enough for your tastes, so let's do nothing and usher in the fascists to power instead. After all, politics are like a magical pendulum, where one side winning means the other side must get an equivalent win eventually!

Oh I'm under no illusion that fascists winning would (or, well, will given that they've pretty much already won) bring about a socialist revolution or any of that stuff.

When the fuck are progressives shutting down serious action?

Remember Uncommited? Palestine protests? Calls for Biden to step down? I have seen all three get called Russian psy-ops by supposedly left-leaning people on Lemmy. You probably know better than me whether that's a representative sample of American politics, but holy hell for a time you couldn't say anything bad about Biden without getting showered with downvotes around here. This sort of cannibalism was one of the many forms of complicity that allowed the march to fascism to proceed unimpeded.

You're absolutely right. In the wise words of a political party canvassing for seemingly everything a good fucking third of the 'left' commenters here have come to adore, we're all going to die someday. So why not as soon as possible?

I mean, in this case we're more talking about whether it's worth it to pay through the nose for life support when you already know what you have is terminal.

"We've managed to make 'socialism' into an acceptable word in politics and almost got a democratic socialist into a major party's nomination twice in the past ten years, in a country which has been immensely hostile to any socialist ideas for at least 70 years, and in an intensified period of anti-government right-wing insanity since 1980."

That would be nice-ish progress in saner times, and a few decades of it and you might've had a shot at sane government (if the establishment didn't manage to tank the whole affair, anyway), but like what makes you think you ever had that kind of time? The clock was already ticking with Bush, really got going with Obama and Trump 1 pretty much sealed the deal. When I say fascism was inevitable I don't mean it was coming within decades; I mean America was going to be fascist by 2033. Much more direct action was needed to prevent fascism within that timeframe. So with that in mind,

But I guess it's not fast enough for your tastes

No, it's not fast enough for the reality on the ground.