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[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Are we really dragging someone for not endorsing totenkopf man?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Are we REALLY still dragging him for getting an ill-advised tattoo as part of a military group thing many years ago, one that he didn't know the meaning of at the time and has since publicly and emphatically denounced and is having covered up?

Because if so, we're either arguing in bad faith, credulous idiots that blindly swallow the media narrative, or both.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Platner has faced increased scrutiny surrounding now-deleted posts he made on Reddit where he dismissed military sexual assaults, questioned Black patrons’ gratuity habits and criticized police officers and rural Americans. Other posts showed Platner using homophobic slurs and making anti-LGBTQ+ jokes between 2018 and 2021.

Were those accidents too? He's clearly a scumbag with a pattern of shit behaviour. What good has he done to show he's changed, other than say so? Why would anyone believe what an ex-nazi says?

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

Now do Collins voting record

I'm dubious of this guy having changed, not that it's impossible, but it's not like that programming goes away overnight. We've seen similar to this before and got burned by it pretty badly.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He has said they were mistakes and he regrets shit posting online.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Haha, and I am a pineapple! Please believe me!

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Do you doubt the apology? It's available online.

Yeah, I hadn't heard about those. That DOES change things quite a bit 😬

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If it’s a Nazi tattoo, then yes, I’m dragging him until he’s dead and buried. Maybe I’m an old fashioned European, but there’s no coming back from a Nazi tattoo. We got a few million bodies, ours and yours, rotting in the ground because of that fucking shit.

He can cover it up. He can make up excuses. He can cry in the corner every night for all I care. He’s still a piece of shit with a Nazi tattoo.

I can’t understand how he’s getting a pass for this?

Can you really not do better than a guy with a Nazi tattoo?

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not going to fault someone for not knowing an extremely niche detail about the nazis. In fact, it's a little weird how detailed the knowledge is coming from people that supposedly hate nazis.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It’s probably the third most recognizable Nazi symbol, after the swastika and the double lightning bolts. There’s even a comedy sketch about it. You might have seen it. The punch line is “are we the baddies?”.

[–] bampop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It's a skull and crossbones. You're talking about whether a person has sufficient familiarity with Nazi symbolism to distinguish one of the several skull and crossbones designs Nazis used from one they didn't. I personally wouldn't have spotted it as a Nazi symbol but that's because I'm not especially fascinated with Nazi symbolism.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah of course Nazis are bad but if you're so unwilling to acknowledge that people can grow and change (completely ignoring the fact that this particular guy very clearly didn't know it was a Nazi tattoo to begin with) then sorry but you're also a fucking problem

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

All I’m hearing is excuses. Does it come across like he’s really sorry he made his body a billboard for hate for two decades?

It sounds like he’s sorry he got found out.

But anyway, that’s where we are. The options for the citizens of Maine are Mr Nazi tattoo vs the perpetually concerned enabler. Either way they will have the representation they deserve.

[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Let's say you're right and he knew what kind of tat he was getting.

Oftentimes those who realize how wrong they were end up being the best advocates for positive change. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Political_views

Senator Robert Byrd was a man who was a member of the KKK and ended up being 100% in line with the NAACP and a strong advocate for civil rights. He didn't get a tattoo he didn't understand, he actually tried to block civil rights legislation, realized later how fucked up that was and busted his ass to change things for the better.

People like Byrd are an example to others who may be questioning their racist ideas. Creating an atmosphere where embracing bad ideas in your early twenties is an unrecoverable and unpardonable sin would result in most people never being able to move forward. Do we really want to lock people into their sophomoric notions? Or do we want to embrace and reward positive change?

Considering how prevalent MAGA is in the US. I want all of those people to grow out of this bullshit, because we're going to need them to help repair the damage they caused. And that can't happen if we never forgive their past transgressions even when they change and seek forgiveness.

[–] Arkhive@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don’t think I’ll change your mind on this (and that’s okay) but I want to throw my two cents in here because I’ve done a lot of research on this because of the moral dilemma the media is exploiting to smear him.

I’m not living in Maine anymore, so I thankfully don’t technically have to wrestle with this dilemma, but yes, he does in fact seem sorry to me. I say this for a few reasons.

Reason number one. He got it blasted over with a shitty coverup instead of dealing with the time and travel it would take to get it removed. Maine doesn’t have as many businesses that do that, and there would still be evidence of it for a while during that process and probably after. As such he got a pretty mid coverup instead. He’d rather have a shitty tattoo than the original piece or the scars from removing the original piece. As someone that has been very picky and careful with the tattoos I’ve gotten, I’ve got to give a little respect for just doing whatever it took to disappear that image from his body.

Reason two is more personal to me. A trans woman at a town hall of his near where I grew up I think put it best. She said something like “I’ve changed a lot from a person I didn’t like, so I believe you are capable of, and are working on, the same”. I know so many trans people that have turned their whole ways of thinking around and bounced back from being really hateful people, and if I believe they are capable of that change, he is too. Hell I even know a few trans people with fully blacked out tattoos because they got a bunch of ink they don’t like anymore.

Finally is my frustration with single issue voting. I think people are within their rights to have “a line” where they won’t vote for someone based on their stance on a single issue, but I also agree with another commenter about what is essentially “harm reduction voting” while working to dismantle things more. His current anti-corporate, anti-oligarch, pro-union, pro-working class politics do a lot more for HIS CONSTITUENTS than his opponents. In the end he doesn’t have to convince you he’s sorry unless he is on your ballot. I grew up with the type of people he’s attracting, and for them the biggest appeal is his working class politics. That is what the lobster industry workers need. It’s what the logging industry workers need. It’s what the service industry workers in a state fed by tourism need. He doesn’t have to convince people sitting comfortably a world away removed from the communities he operates in. For many rural Mainers seeing someone with his history put in the work he’s putting in, and showing proof of growth, acts as an amazing example to people that fell into the right wing cult generations ago and have only been more indoctrinated since.

So yes, it sucks folks in this country have to choose between corpo scum and “Nazi tat guy”, but if you look at the people that are actually going to see his name on their ballot, he is a far, far better fit for them and more realistically represents them in both current politics and previous indoctrination. Many far right, pushing libertarian, Mainers are a small nudge away from looping around to far left politics. They are all very pro personal liberty, pro privacy, pro working class, even to a point of being accepting of queer folks’ desires for the same things. He is, love it or hate it, a huge improvement for the people of Maine.

If you made it this far, thanks for hearing me out. Like I said at the start I am no longer living in Maine, but I’ve forced myself to sit and think on this as if I was, because I had an initial knee jerk reaction to the tattoo and Reddit comments coming to light. After a lot, and I mean A LOT, more thought, I was able to find my willingness to give second chances big enough to give him one. That leap of faith felt very similar to the second chance I gave myself when I realized I needed to transition for my own sake. I was set up to become yet another generic white dude contributing to corporate rule and that felt completely wrong for me. In a weird way I see the same disillusion in Platner, tho I don’t think he’s trans lmao.

I think there are long term conversations to be had about if second chances should allow for a seat at the decision making table, but for now he’s a better choice for the people of Maine. Also the fact he’s getting smeared by both democrats and republicans kinda says all it needs to lmao.

Seriously I have no ill will towards you, and it’s really okay if you don’t change your mind. You don’t have to vote for him, so your conscious is clear. This is the moral degradation of the US on full display and we shouldn’t even be at a point where we have to make these comparisons and decisions, but here we are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thank you for your thoughtful comment.

First, a bit about me. I’m from a country that has been struggling with fascism in the political arena for well over a hundred years. I’ve seen the games they play, the way they signal to their base with one side of the mouth while pleading ignorance with the other. I have a simple rule: people talk, but when they show you who they are, believe them.

What this sums up to is that my priors for “is person with Nazi tattoo a Nazi” are pretty fucking high, and claims of ignorance do absolutely nothing for me, because they fall into the established pattern for cryptofascists evading accountability. That’s where I stood when the story broke, at least.

Right now, I think he’s something much better and much worse at the same time. I think he’s an impressionable idiot with a weak internal compass. He hangs around with his fascist military buddies, he gets a Nazi tattoo. He falls into some Reddit rabbit hole, he posts the crap he’s been posting. Then he falls in with the labor movement and now he’s an anti corporate champion for worker rights.

But who is he going to be tomorrow? Who is he going to be when lobbyists try and become his best friends? When machine politicians get all buddy buddy? Can we trust him to stay the course? Is there even a course to stay?

He’s probably not a Nazi. And the odds of him being better for not just Maine but the US and the world than the current office holder are pretty good (senators ratify international treaties, we all have a stake in this). But a term is six years, and I don’t know what he’s going to be like in six years. That’s true for everyone, but it feels more true for him.

That said, I’m looking forward to be proven wrong.

[–] Arkhive@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I’m looking forward to being proven wrong.

In the end I think this is the best many of us can do. Which is fucked because it means we are playing chicken with fascism. I live in Pennsylvania now, and am furious with the bait and switch John Fetterman pulled, so I 100% understand being wary of any politician claiming to be more radically left after previously being in bed with the fascists.

I do agree about his sort of shapeshifting, but in some cases (still to be determined with Platner) that comes from being a mailable young man looking for camaraderie and community and finding an oh so welcoming cult. I knew folks like this growing up. One case in particular I remember. A guy I had known in elementary school fell in with a friend group because of shared interests like hunting, fishing, off roading, classic rural US activities. Also roughly represented the group of guys that were going to finish high school and start working the family business or go to trade school. These were also many of the guys from families that had been hardline right wingers for a long time.

Anyway, this guy I had been closer to hung out with them all 4 years of high school, but on the day of graduation he came up to me and said “hey, I’m really sorry for how the people I hung out with treated you. I tried really hard to stop them when I could and never really participated” and while it might sound a bit hollow, in the moment I realized he was right. Over the span of 4 years, while our friendship might have kind of faded, he in fact never participated in the bullying that group did to basically anyone. He was already realizing the harm the cult he was born into was doing.

Platner has a more privileged background than a lot of those guys, so it actually tracks in my mind that he didn’t start to break all this down until he was an adult. Could definitely still be performative, but at the very least he is introducing anti-capitalist language to a bunch of guys that were hook line and sinker republicans. In the end I think helping blue collar folks deconstruct their capitalist mindsets will lead to deconstructing patriarchal mindsets, and then after those neofascist mindsets.

I read pretty much all your comments in this thread and I think we are opposite sides of the same coin. Yourself hoping to be proven wrong after not really being convinced, myself hoping to be proven right after being (perhaps overly) willing to give him a chance.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and listening to mine. Stay safe out there.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m dragging him until he’s dead and buried

there’s no coming back

He’s still a piece of shit

I can’t understand

Both it is 🤦🏻

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I know what I wrote. Is nazism just a joke to you guys? That would explain the situation you’re in right now.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Some people say and/or do stupid or even reprehensible things but later regret them and take steps to become better and do better.

Rather than castigate him for the mistake born out of ignorance (which is worlds away from KNOWINGLY getting a Nazi tattoo) of his past, you should emulate him and do better rather than stubbornly clinging to your "he DEFINITELY meant it and that means forever" bullshit.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Okay he became better. I still don't want him in public office.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I do, we are so starved for progressive voices that I will support an ex Nazi that talks about taxing the wealthy improving like for the working class.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I’m all for giving people second chances and empathy and shit. But I’m not blind to the fact that the only time people really want me to forgive someone it’s when Nazi tattoo white boy wants to run for senate for the supposedly non-Nazi party.

I’m all for forgiving him as a person. Sure we all make mistakes. But that doesn’t mean I think someone who (in the very very very best case) got peer pressured by his military buddies into getting a fucking Nazi tattoo is a good choice for a senator.

Seriously, this is the kind of thing that, if you guys had not descended into a tribalism death spiral, would have been an instant political career ender.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m all for giving people second chances and empathy and shit.

Doesn't sound like it

But I’m not blind to the fact that the only time people really want me to forgive someone it’s when Nazi tattoo white boy wants to run for senate for the supposedly non-Nazi party.

How COULD you be blind to something you made up yourself?

Seriously, this is the kind of thing that, if you guys had not descended into a tribalism death spiral, would have been an instant political career ender.

On the contrary. This is the kind of thing that only became an issue at all because of a smear campaign by the Neoliberal party propaganda machine, leaving out important details and making up details that were never true. Just like you're doing right now.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 days ago

This is the kind of thing that only became an issue at all because of a smear campaign by the Neoliberal party propaganda machine

And here is the tribalism death spiral at work.

You guys used to stand for something. And it sure as fuck wasn’t “Nazi tattoos are ok if they are on my guy”

[–] platform9469@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree! Voting for the democrat with a stupid tattoo would be a grave mistake! Let's make sure the republican wins so the fascist in the white house retains power!! I AM VERY SMART! /s You don't like him, you don't trust him. Fine. You don't live in Maine. Its Susan Collins vs Platner. Vote him out in 2032 then. But to say a tattoo makes him worse than a Republican is just childish (or disingenuous, which I think is more accurate in this scenario)

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 days ago

Nah, you dialed me in wrong. You gotta hold your nose and vote for totenkopf man. I’m just sad you are this fucked up.

[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hate it when they don't cite the original words. It may sound bad, but why not cite him if that's true? I have been misled too often.

[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Weird that you choose to question the idea he'd make racist and sexist posts but not the idea that he somehow didn't know one of the most widely known symbols of Nazism. Anyway, here are some of them: https://www.advocate.com/politics/graham-platner-homophobic-posts

Yeah, hadn't heard about all the other stuff.

That DOES change things quite a bit 😬

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You demand purity test after purity test, and then you're surprised when you get candidates that don't have any real values and have never said anything of substance in their entire lives...

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Yes? I'm not a fan of platner, he probably will suck shit in office. At least he's mouthing progressive noises, though, and he's the dem nominee.

For all the vote blue bullshit I get, it only ever goes one way so fuck the dems.