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What are they talking about
Skimmed other replies... What I didn't see...
This quote is actually TRUE. What it doesn't capture is that it was an intentional smear campaign. People on the left knew she was a center-right Democrat in a similar vein to Biden. But on the right, no matter who runs on the left, they will ALWAYS paint the Dem opponent as too progressive, and people on the right believe it.
That's the point.... Rather than cowing to that pressure and running people less and less progressive, run an ACTUAL progressive.
Maybe this is a weird semantic difference.
If she lost more people by being hawkish and right leaning than she lost by being too liberal with social policies that nominally leaned left then that means she was too far right as that lost her more votes than her left leaning policies.
They're drinking the kool aid.
Harris lost because she never should have been nominated. Before she was nominated she was polling at 2% among Democrats. Nobody wanted her. And her campaign offered zero new ideas or new energy or new solutions, basically promising to be Biden 2.0 (just without the trust carried over from Obama's presidency). Obviously that didn't work, and (just like Hillary), 'I'm not Trump' wasn't enough to get her elected.
Her being progressive had NOTHING to do with it.
There's also the unfortunate consideration that she's a woman. A black woman. That's like playing on hardcore+ permadeath mode when it comes to elections...
I wish it wasn't that way but it's the reality in the US if you want a meaningful shot of winning... There is an unfortunate amount of voters who just won't vote for a woman or a POC...
i reject this stance. the same thing is said about a black president. and women make up 50 % of the vote base.
especially since this is a talking point of operatives who seek a gender based wedge.
and also moot when there were a lot of issues whith both women candidates who were the democrats primary candidates in the last few presidential elections. these issues supersede all other reasons. the internal reports point to the backing of a genocide and aligning with establishment democrats, the ultra wealthy, and her “tough on crime” stance that is by design targeting minorities.
AND AND she lost by a narrow margin, male nominees have lost by FAR MORE then she did
do not accept such arguments
Yeah rejecting it doesn't make it false... Just because 50% of the voting base are women doesn't mean they're feminists. There's a lot of internalized misogyny.
Obama was a bridge too far for a ton of American voters and he was only a well educated light skinned black man... He still ticked all the other boxes for an American president. A female president is beyond the pale for a lot of Americans.
The Democrats are welcome to deny reality, ignore candidate popularity during primaries, kill all other candidate potential, and then lose the presidency again and act confused about why that happened... I guess the big thing they have going for them is trump isn't allowed to run a 3rd time so the trump cult candidate will be a weaker option compared to trump himself.
what makes it false is the idea that she lost because she was a woman.
the numbers do not agree
it is a sexiest point because it pushes the thought that democrats can not run female candidates if they want to win.
this is provably false, even considering misogyny. and like i said, is sourced from political operatives looking for a wedge. misogyny is just not that influential.
Harris was polling to win the election, up until the listed slights against the progressive base.
you can see that even within the democratic party a push to reaffirm conservative power by reassigning failures of the party on such things like inclusiveness, sexism, racism, ect. they attempted to hide the result of their internal investigation that counters their talking points.
it is also a thought terminating accusation with no one to blame and fights against progression in this regard. and should be shouted down when ever and where ever it crops up.
It is BS. She lost because she is dumb politically. Obama won becsuse peoole viewed him as a progressive.
It sticks out like a sore thumb. Define "many"
Does that mean "my editor and his owner?"
It's the same "many many very important people " that trump throws in to his word salads to give the impression of authority
American people outside of very specific online bubbles aren't, on average, moral or smart people. The amount of "Well, I hate Trump and I voted Biden, but I wouldn't vote for a radical socialist communist who is, you know and you know" that I've heard both from inside the US and, which is very surprising, outside of the US, is both deeply concerning, and made me lose all the hope in the north American continent.
Voting patterns repeatedly show that those people are more prevalent and/or active than normal humans.
oh that? those are just lies. :)
She grew a Cheney off her elbow.
It was mostly sourced from her 2020 campaign that were fodder for commercials. Then there were stuff like her going off on Tulsi Gabbard about not being a democratic party team player that made her look too centrist and establishment for people further left. Another common fodder for commercials are stuff like how the democratic party only cares about black guys with stuff like that 10 point plan for black men becoming wealthy. That stuff would be open to everyone because it's just marketing really, but the lack of marketing to non-black people is fodder for marketing the democratic party as not caring for any other minority group along with white people. I don't remember that commercial people hated that was shaming men to vote Harris in some way. That was good fodder for conservatives to paint the democratic party as anti-men
well, the winner was a far right wing pedo fascist, felon, sex offender, pretend christian , so in order to win, you have to be closer to that.
She needed to grab 'em by the dick, shoot someone in times square, and go bankrupt a dozen times after leaking a video of her having sex with a 15yr old and she'd be a winner for sure. These are the core values many 10s of millions of American voters support after all.