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Note.. all the games are in North America so within 3 hrs time zone .. but bars need to be open until 4am somehow
Why are they requiring bars to close by 4am? Just drop the restriction entirely. If you want to get shitfaced at 6am then go ahead.
This! When I was young, we used to stay at clubs so late that it was a bit light out when we came out. Grab some breakfast, and sleep the day away. Shit, we wouldn't even hit the clubs until after 23:00. Then we moved to Texas where everything closed at 2:00, no matter how packed it was. So depressing.
The same reason half of Europe has closed shops on Sunday, worker protection.
You need strong laws to not have businesses abusing and pressuring peoples to work the shity 14h shift till morning for earning a peanut.
And workers protection law + North America are not often put in the same sentence.
Also it’s generally not worth it business wise. Paying salaries and more from 2 to 4 (or 6am or whatever) to sell two beers means losing money. You might have a few festive nights here and there, but most of the weeks/months you’ll have an empty bar so even the owners are not pushing for it.
Allowing bars to stay open is not the same as requiring them to stay open. Owners won't keep a bar open 24 hours if there isn't any business.
I know that, but some might pressure you to work the night shift "or…"
People living around bars also want to be able to sleep sometimes.
Closed bar also means less drunk people in the streets. In my city you cannot buy alcohol "to go" in shops after 9pm and bars close at 2.
After that if you want to continue partying you go to night clubs.
Anyway, a wise drunk dude once said "nothing good happens after 2", and from experience he was right.
Closing means you have all the drunks dumped out on the street at the same time to have a fight. Stay open later, let people leave on their own staggering out out more.
You sure haven't lived above pubs near a stadium. I'd torch all the fucking drunkards.
You chose to live there.
That's such an entitled shit to say, holy shit check your privilege. What if it's one of the only things I could afford? What if it's my parents house? Come on.
There are usually other places at a similar price, its very unlikely there is literally only 1 place to live and everything else is significantly higher unless you are getting a crack den - at which point the pub probably has more reasons to complain about having a crack den upstairs.
But Doug Ford's mandate is to keep people drunk.
Oh lol he’ll get reelected then (I don’t know the guy at all, just a few jokes about him I’ve seen on Lemmy)
That sounds more like countries enforcing a religious preference (day of rest on Sunday for church) than worker protection. I suppose it could be branded as secular, but so can France's ban on wearing hijabs in the name of laïcité.
Ehh, maybe it started of as a religious thing, perhaps why Sunday was chosen specifically; but the idea of forcing everyone to have a day off is wonderful.
In the us, there's no federal law limiting the number of days people have to work. Some states have a 1 every 7 days rule. But that's not specific enough, for shift schedule work, they can set your off day to be Sunday this week, and Friday next week, and only schedule you a few hours a day so you get to work almost 2 weeks in a row with out overtime pay.
IMO, it should be (regardless of number of hours worked) on day 6 your pay is 1.5x, and day 7 is required off. At day 8 it's 2x pay, +2 days of paid vacation time - 8 hours or your typical shift length (which ever is larger). (then doubling everyday after). With a signed agreement between you, HR, your boss, whomever is "in charge"/owns the company and the labor board with specific documentation explaining why you have to work so many days in a row and why the job can't wait a day or someone else can't fill in. Failure to do this step results in x5 back pay for everyday worked after 6. Doubling everyday after 8.
Nah, it's definitely a worker protection ting. Sure, it has religious origins, which is why it's specifically on Sundays, but that's not why we keep it in place. It's pretty widely supported that we should have one day per week where most shops are mandated to keep closed, and nobody sees a good reason to make it any other day than Sunday, so we've kept it on Sundays.
They only state they can stay open until 4am. It doesn't mention what time they reopen. My sister's bar opens at 6am or so. Supposedly for night shift workers.
Because there is good data showing extended drinking hours have higher rates of violence and drunk driving. No one is getting refreshment at 4am, they are getting shit faced.
I reserve the right to get shitfaced at 4am.
So glad I don't live in a nanny state.
Really? I heard the opposite, kicking everyone out at the same time results in them fighting more because you have a load of them all at once.
Nah, there’s no way soccer fans getting shithoused for hours on end while watching a friendly match would ever get rowdy. /s
There needs to be games at 6am though
There are other reasons to go to the pub. Half of the ones I go to don't even have screens. Though they are also not places I would want to go at 6am. They would probably choose not to open at that time anyway.
My point is the government shouldn't be dictating the allowed opening hours. Regulations on staff working conditions is totally fine so having staff working 18 hour shifts is clearly bullshit, but if you want to hire enough staff to cover opening hours like that then you should be allowed to.
That's sounds like some crazy libertarian stuff
Give people the liberty to choose? Nvr gonna happen
It makes easier for the Dui quota if they can force alcoholics to get on the road at the same time
"crazy libertarian stuff" = business owners should be able to pick their own opening times?
I think you missed the sarcasm in the comment
I think theres a stigma around that rule more than it has anything to do with it being libertarian. The later bars are allowed to be open the worse of a look it gives the neighborhood. It could bring unwanted types of people in since those are the only people they believe would be drinking at 3am, as well as additional noise which could be disruptive if the bar is located next to residential places. I think its just seen as a bad look which is why its restricted. I am also someone who doesn't really care, but i guess location should matter in what time is the latest it can stay open. I grew up visiting NY a lot and they are a perfect example of who cares what time a bar closes and it was wonderful.
So a late shift worker cannot go to a bar to enjoy a pint after work, because he finishes at 4 and there are no more games this late? Why? What logic is that? I think they should be open till 6AM
Why?
If a venue sees it as worth it to deal with the calibre of piss-head you get at 6am, have at it, I say
Local businesses get to make more profit and the government gets more tax from consumption duty
Whether there's football on or not really shouldn't be a factor the government cares about at all IMO
We'll just have the leaving late-night crowd play against the arriving day drinkers crowd.
It's 8am, Barry arrives for his first morning pint and sees Dave stumbling out after his last pint of the night.