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What % of NYT readers voted for Trump? It has to be minuscule.
The election was so close, there are dozens of but-for causes that could have tipped the scale, but the NYT not being sufficiently alarmist about Trump (which is what that CNN article you linked claims - not that the paper was a proponent of Trump, as you say) probably wasn’t one of them.
Democrat turnout was pretty abysmal, and the media sanewashing of trump certainly contributed to some of that.
Running a candidate who nobody voted for in a primary probably contributed to it as well.
WELL I FUCKING VOTED FOR HER. She was right there on the ticket, under Biden. I have enough of a brain to realize if Biden couldn't run anymore she would naturally be the candidate.
What's natural about that? If the incumbent can't run again what would be natural is another primary.
No the VICE President would be the next person in line for the job. Who else better prepared to be the president than the person who spent 4 years studying the position in case they had to step in to do the job?
You're saying this better serves the Democratic voters than running a legitimate primary election?
Well in an ideal world he would have stepped down in 2022 and let her be President for 2 years. She would have been reelected then
Sounds like we agree Biden fucked up.
Absolutely I think he fucked up. But I also think she would have been a fantastic president and lettuce to a much better place than where we are now
Great. Sounds like the Democratic primaries produced a fuck up. How do we stop that in the future?
yeah. Not being a member of political party is terrifying to many people. Joining the republicans is an impossibility to many people, so they hold their nose and join the Dems, who couldnt give two shites what the voters want. As we saw in that election.
It’s really shitty that the Democrats have to appeal to leftist, liberals, independents, Democrats and everything in between with the platform and messaging, Republicans have to appeal to their base, that’s it. Makes it really hard to win elections when you have to be the perfect candidate for 10 different groups of people all with different ideologies.
They don't have to be perfect, just not alienating to 80% of their potential supporters. They didn't appeal to anyone but supposed "centrists" that are actually right-wing and would never vote D, and their real constituancy of wealthy backers.
I agree there must have been a sizable chunk of voters who were unaware that Trump posed a threat to democracy itself, but I assume those people are just generally relatively uninformed. The way I knew he was a threat to democracy was through consuming mainstream media (and some podcasts).
By 2024 Trump had been on the political scene for almost a decade. This was post Jan 6. There was no excuse for putting him back in power. The voters sanewashed him to themselves. People are very adaptable. We are the same species who owned slaves, walked on the moon, tore out peoples hearts at the tops of pyramids, sit in boxes for 8 hours a day, and hunted giant fuzzy elephants to extinction by hand - and all of it is “normal.”
Even today, 37% of Americans think Trump is great!
I see so the voters are the problem, you're saying?
Yes.
Well, a problem. Because I don’t see the world in black and white and believe there is just one problem, unlike some idiots.
thats good to hear, because in your last comment you were just harping on the one thing-- the voters, so you sounded like an "idiot" (your choice of word not mine) for a second but sounds like you didnt get your whole viewpoint out. Have a nice day.
There was an article EVERY FUCKING DAY from 2020 to 2024 about Trump in the nyt. If the media would have ignored him, and not platformed him every fucking day maybe just maybe he would not have had a chance
The media coverage leading up to the election was infuriating. If that's how the masses get their information, then it absolutely does skew the outcome of elections.
Maybe NYT was just one slice of the cake, but add up all the other major media outlets that were sanewashing trump and skirting over his many glaring issues, while piling on Biden and later Kamala and nitpicking them with the finest-toothed of combs, and the problem becomes obvious.