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[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 140 points 1 month ago (6 children)

/uj

The "money spent on survival" is the standard deduction and deductions in general. Deductions are viewed as if you never made that money in the first place. Whether standard deduction should be larger is another question.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah, because $16k is enough to survive.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A diet of nothing but rice and beans, living in a rented room in a garage, and dumpster diving for all the remaining necessities and you can almost live in California!

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'm on a fixed income and cannot live in California. I do thanks to parents giving me some intergenerational wealth early by paying my $2k-ish rent for me. (They're in their eighties and still alive.)

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[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

OP even acknowledged this and this shit is still top reply. Dumb fucks everywhere.

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[–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

You're right, of course. But I also think it would open up a giant loophole for the wealthy. A car is essential for survival! A three million dollar car? ... A 15,000sqft house?

Of course, they could set reasonable limits. But when was the last time congress was reasonable?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Person: $16k for food is part of standard deduction. No deduction for car or rent if you are an employee.

Corporation (which is legally treated as a person): $150k for food for one party. $150k for CEO's Mercedes. $500k for condo for ceo to use when visiting.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure you are correct.

[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That’s the thing. Corporations report their own deductions, but individuals have to follow existing law, when there’s a high variance among necessary spending

[–] Perky@fedia.io 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can also report your own deductions if you itemize. If your income is low, the standard deduction is probably just significantly bigger than your itemized deductions.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Legal deductions are extremely limited if you are an employee. You can't deduct your car, your rent, or the big screen TV you bought.

For employers, anything that didn't end up in the bank at the end of the year is a deduction.

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[–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

People can report their own deductions, too. It's just not worth it for most people.

The problem is that the IRS "doesn't have the resources" to audit corporations and millionaires. They basically only audit small business owners.

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even that though, you can only deduct part of your living expenses. There is no food deduction afaik, there is no deduction for insurance as far as I know.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Most of us also pay a much higher proportion of our income in sales taxes. Businesses are exempt from such taxes; they are only paid by the end user.

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[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

Which is ass backwards. Audit those with the highest amounts and they made way more money. It's proven it worked that way until they cut funding for it

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure I read that auditing the wealthy is a huge profit center for the IRS, because they find people who aren't paying what's owed. Naturally conservatives (of any party) hate this and gut it whenever possible

[–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, if you look at the numbers it's obvious. But libertarians don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Auditing in general is profitable, but it's mostly due to it being automated for people that aren't making 7 figures. Auditing the not absurdly wealthy is also generally a positive revenue. Auditing the extremely wealthy tends to not be a great net benefit as the costs of lawyers and court time outweighs the settlement check at the end. There's an argument to be made it's worth the cost to ensure the ultra wealthy do actually pay though.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago

It's billions of dollars of tax "avoidance", cheating, and simply not paying. Unfortunately, the wealthy who are calling the shots don't really want to pay millions for IRS lawyers

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

True, and broadly deductions, but deductions are very different.

For example, owning my house, the taxes do not care that I pay insurance and property tax on it. They do not care if I have to spend $10,000 on HVAC because it went out.

However, if I own a house that I rent out, I can deduct all of that. And this is ignoring the standard deduction, you can deduct this stuff on top of the standard deduction.

I think this is the sort of BS, that a business can wave away most any expense but a private citizen just has to suck it up.