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I am usually very pro chinese except for the part where they seem to embrace AI. As for ai data centers and Large language models at all: I despise them.
Yeah, human rights abuses are fine but AI data centers are really the place to draw the line.
Adrien zens human rights abuses, or real ones?
There are human rights abuses in every western country; i like china because of their push for clean energy and because they might be a potential counterweight to US hegemony. I see no hope in a future where the US has the type of control and power it posseses right now.
I'm going to meet you both in the middle and let you know real quick, they're not funding this for funsies. This is their automated surveillance platform. They know the bubble is about to pop, they're just getting a sale on data centers to store audio, video, the works.
It's both of your opinions, but far worse.
Qanon tier racist conspiracy mongering
LLMs have a lot of utility so China has the right idea to pursue them. They're also doing a lot more to mitigate the downsides than the US is
Not a fan of the technology at all, i know there are legitimate uses in science with specialized dsta sets, but the way LLM's seem to be implemented as an all emcompassing swiss knife and how they seem to be touted as replacing humans for cultural production those are two applications of the technology i particularly despise. Personally i will never consume any cultural product where the creative process wss parsed through an LLM, and i especially hate ai music. And i refuse to use Llm's for work.
As for data centers i feel expensive frontier models reach diminishing returns as they become larger, to the point in the future it will be more feasible for the people that use llm's to run sepcialized open source models locally. Not something i will ever do. But it sounds more logical than all mad infrastructure cost and environmental disaster US companies are planning.
I also believe this mad push for data center infrastructure obeys a logic of privatization and centralization of compute: make it so the users can't buy their own hardware so that they are forced to rent compute to the tech companies. Again China seems a light in the tunnel for this as their chip manufacturing industry might fill the hole left by western hyperscalers.
I like the food alright. Their brand of communism that's just an autocracy with a side of capitalism - in communist giftwrap gets me, tho.
Then again, we in the US do the same with freedom and liberty while restricting your life to the small sphere it allows you to afford.
Fuck both, kinda?
I like china because i've always liked their push for clean energy. also as someone from the global south i have no hope left for Europe or the united states, especially with most of western leaders seeming so keen to push far right governments to control my country or my neighbors. So i see china at least as a counterweight. I know this oppinion is scary to westerners, but westerners not being in complete control for once can be actually good.
Clean energy? Energy period is what China pushes, they've been HALF of the world's coal consumption for the last 15 years or so. For every solar farm, a coal plant.
And they seem to be actively pushing to phase out coal tby spending a lot of money in renewable research, but hey, keep fuming.
Could that have anything to do with china being the world manufacturing hub? Decades of offloading industrial capacity to a single country and then blaming them for the emissions that causes?
?? I should applaud China for building brand new coal plants because China hollowed out industry and destroyed worker's power elsewhere in the world?
Oh yeah, big bad China stole your industry lmao, it wasn't your own leaders choosing the cheapest option that allows them to extract hyper profits. And to say China destroyed worker power is laughable, the goal of the entire West has been to destroy labor unions and bargaining power.