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Democrat Socialists should just form a new party on their own.
Bad idea. The system in the US is so bad that more than two parties aren't viable and the brand recognition of the Democratic party is so huge that it's better to take it over.
Counterpoint, there wasn't always a dem and Republicans party. There used to be different parties in the two party system. If the brand recognition is good, but it's seen as bad, then making a new party to turn the existing one fringe isn't such a crazy idea. Let's see if it's actually necessary though
More than one is barely viable. The idea of a two-party system hasn't been practical since Obama won in '08. Gerrymandering and voter caging has isolated the minority party in nearly every state. US is a confederacy of single-party dictatorships, for the most part.
If you can't take over the Democrats, then you can't politics.
The problem is that the current two parties have so much money coming in from our oligarchs. That's why the Republicans have turned to fascism because they were even more susceptible to corruption than a lot of the Democrats.
I don't know if there's a single Republican that isn't beholden to our oligarchs. Maybe there is but I'm just not aware.
I am aware of a couple like AOC and Bernie, who as far as I can tell are really not beholden to the oligarchs.
And that's also true of this new social Democratic movement.
The problem is that the oligarchs gives so much power to those that they're able to corrupt that it is an uphill battle, even with the support.
The propaganda countering real progress is so strong because it is so friendly supported by our oligarch.
So I just don't find a statement like yours fair. Because it's such an uphill battle and an unfair battle. If it was a fair battle I would agree. They should be able to win if they get support.
But even if they get support, the oligarchs are able to throw so much money against them that I don't know if we can take over the party. I hope they can but I don't know if they can
Form the 3rd party .. with a completely different name ... Call it the Upgrade party
Just call themselves the New Democratic Party. Maybe make their colours orange.
You sneaky Canadian.
Why?
To break free of all the existing notions of what people think the Democrats are about.
Socialists should actually just have a revolution and rewrite the constitution to prevent reactionaries like the DNC and GOP from ever holding political power ever again.
Without securing a popular mandate through an election? People are tired of elites rewriting the rules, how exactly is a vanguard going to be viewed as legitimate?
Well obviously a revolution cannot succeed without mass class consciousness, and secondly, vanguard parties are made up of the working class, not elites. You can look at the Worker's Party of Belgium for an example of how to build a modern vanguard party within a capitalist system that maintains the trust of the working class. For example, their members are not allowed to live on more than the average Belgian wage, even if they are high earners. The extra money gets put back in their coffers to perform mutual aid work, such as their large network of medics and doctors.
Nah, the tea party, and later maga, showed us the way. You can get tangible results taking over the party pretending to be on your side.