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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 47 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

I do not like calling people trying to afford to buy a pile of lumber and tape on a small parcel a "market".

It removes the fact that homes used to stay flat value or go down in value before houses became a "market".

Fuck markets. The markets should be crushed. And American home builders should be ashamed of the quality of American homes.

A pile of lumber and tape.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Of course, a "market" doesn't have to mean the thing is a financial instrument. I go to the market to buy grocereries. I am not intending to resell the carrots that I bought from "market".

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago

And yet grocery stores are in a similar situation with prices going up while quality and quantity go down. Maybe it doesn't have to mean the thing is a financial instrument but if it can be it will be.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

What's wrong with making houses out of wood? It's renewable. It has an absurdly low carbon footprint. It's a fantastic building material.

[–] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Over the last 50 years material quality and workmanship have gone down. Now it's a race to build a neighborhood as cheaply and quickly as possible, doing the job right be damned.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'll be honest with you: my house was built in the 1940s and it's really not that great. Definitely not noticeably better build quality than my parents' house built in the 1990s.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I'll add that I recently bought a house built in the last decade and the home inspector remarked how well put together it was.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

They're not talking specifically about the lumber being bad, they're talking about companies building new developments cutting corners to save on cost. While they still use lumber, they are choosing cheaper lumber and their workmanship suffers as a result of the corners being cut.

Thus, a pile of lumber and tape.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 hour ago

Also, older homes were built with natural old growth lumber, which is denser and more rot resistant. They also used larger dimensions for extra support.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

they probably live in an area without a lot of earthquakes so it makes sense to build out of brick there

[–] Mnem667@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago)

uh

this is 7 years old, but i wanted to argue my "uh"'s point a little more

love from San Francisco. I woke up the other day to a 5.6 alarm. My love to Yreka who got the brunt of it.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

But how else will we make the peasantry feel richer without enriching them?