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Oh no a genocide!
Hey at least us western nations haven't been party to such a thing, eh?
The other poster is right about "whataboutism." Genocide is bad no matter who does it (as a reminder). Or, do you think that what the CCP is doing in Xinjiang isn't genocide?
Like war is bad, but only Russia is sanctioned?
People could also acknowledge that the US organise regime changes and that the genocide is part of a hybrid war which shifts some responsibility onto the US.
Not even wikipedia thinks it's genocide anymore... get with the program
So you don't think it's genocide? How come? This is a complicated issue and I'm legitimately seeking information
I have not seen any evidence beyond some generic jail images, there seems to be no resistance organisation within xinjiang, i do not see a reason for china to do this and all the reporting is filled with non-objective loaded language like "authoritarian", "brutal crackdown", "chinese regime" etc.
compare all of the reporting from this so-call "genocide" to the actual reporting (the non-western or indie kind) from the actually ongoing genocide of the palestinians, its night and day.
then there were many predominantly muslim countries that sent officials to visit xinjiang and they came back satisfied that there was no ongoing genocide. We get more information out of the tightly regulated gaza ghetto than an entire autonomous region in china. If you want some more hard facts and recent history of the region I can dig some stuff up if you want, I don't remember most of it since it's been a while since I looked at this stuff myself.
You referred to Wikipedia as an authority earlier, so here's some Wikipedia commentary about recent developments in Xinjiang: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China#Classification_of_abuses
And an article about terrorism/resistance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Xinjiang
And there's plenty of reasons for China to do this - they've long seen the land there as Chinese, regardless of the people living on it. Not to mention natural resources, extending borders, marshaling resources to fight capitalist imperialism, et cetera, et cetera....
Secondly, this is the reason I'm asking people what they think genocide is. The ICC would define genocide very narrowly, just the slaughter of people en masse based on ethnicity. Historians and academics actually have a much broader view of genocide, including cultural replacement actions like eliminating languages, displacement, and destruction of culturally important locations. Israel does all of this to Palestine, as well as the USA and Canada to native peoples.
So let's leave the rubric of "genocide" and consider what the CCP is actually doing there. It seems obvious that they want to erase Uyghur culture and replace it with Han. There can be reasons for Uyghurs to want Chinese intervention, and reasons not. But as an individualist Westerner, I consider consent to be one of the most important virtues in society, and China is radically altering (if not erasing) Uyghur land and culture without any consent on the part of the Uyghurs. In my view, it's just the same imperialism and colonialism that the West has been doing for centuries. Do you agree? What did I get wrong?
Not at all, on the contrary, I was pointed out that even wikipedia doesn't call it a genocide anymore.
Not to me, because whenever I look on xiaohongshu for uyghur content there is a lot to find there. The street signs have both uyghur and chinese letters, uyghur is taught in schools, people can practice their faith, I don't see this erasure at all. Whole-ass street festivals where uyghur people celebrate with their food and music, broadcast on a chinese app aimed mainly at chinese people.
Who is "they" in this case? The government of china underwent multiple radical transformations. I wouldn't think that the china of today has the same goals as the china of even 50 years ago. Or do you mean the people of china? I am not aware of any popular hateful sentiment towards uyghur people. Shouldn't there be a lot anti-uyghur propaganda around to rally the han chinese against the uyghurs? Granted I'm not super prolific on chinese media, I occasionally go to xiaohongshu but it would be pretty convincing evidence if there was a governmental campaign to rally hate amongst the han chinese against the uyghur people.
Why do they need erase the culture of the uyghur people to get access to the natural resources there? The extending of borders doesn't make sense to me, xinjiang is already a part of the republic? And who benefits from all this? A genocide is a massive operation, no one undertakes genocide unless they don't expect immense profits from it. E. g. during the holocaust it was companies like IG Farben, Bayer, Lufthansa, Siemens, Rheinmetall and so on. Also what was the spark that set it off? The reporting is just like, nothing prior to like 2019 or so, suddenly genocide, then some backtracking and now radio silence again.
And that's what most people understand under genocide. Also the forcible sterilisation would fall under the ICC definition but aside from that one legal opinion from like 5 years or so is there anything new on that? What about the 1 million people in detention have they been freed? Like I see these articles like this one again after a couple years now and they seem even less credible, just really bombastic flashy effects but at it's core, just some satellite images showing like 3 or 4 construction sites to prove abductions of hundreds of thousands, that's the thing that gets me. Hundreds of thousands. That's a massive massive operation, I would expect more evidence and local resistance groups and aid networks and so on...
So no genocide in Xinjiang? Or are we going by another definition of genocide?
Look at this guy. Same logic would be used to say no Native American or Palestinian genocide either.
I am sorry, but I don't buy it for a second.
Then complain about all genocide instead of picking and choosing, right there bud?
No, that's a serious question, actually. There's lots of different kinds of genocide, and the ICC doesn't recognize all of them. If you're far enough left, there may not even be such a thing as genocide apart from mass murder, because the very concept of genocide is rooted in an enlightenment framework. You may consider that the CCP is actually "elevating" the Uyghurs to the level of proletariat and removing the "backwards" culture that was holding them back. Do you agree with that? What do you think genocide is?
On a different tangent, do you think AES countries are above criticism?
I appreciate the well read, as you appear to be, but there's such a thing as overthinking it.
OP's post is bringing attention to one genocide. I sarcastically drew attention to additional genocidal empires.
It's not even "whataboutism". It's "you are picking and choosing and should be called out for it".
I disagree with that read. I think "Uyghur genocide" is just a token to prompt a response, I don't think there's any subtext to it. Your sarcasm made me think you're campist and those are actually questions I'm curious about. (Your answers would be appreciated, but also just any campist).
For the record, I'm American and am also angry and ashamed of my own country's imperialist atrocities.
This is a classic example of "whataboutism". One country participating in genocide does not excuse other countries from doing so, nor does it make any of them immune to criticism.
They couldn't have provided a more obvious example of whataboutism even if they literally wrote one for a textbook.
Ah, "whataboutism".
The new, "gaslighting" to be thrown around without understanding. 😆
Nope, I think that's pretty well understood, since it's exactly what's happening here.
The only one here with a lack of understanding is yourself, bud!
I don't think you're qualified to make that assumption.
You don't get to decide who's qualified or not, since you have no problem with genocide and all. LMAO
Riveting discourse
Oh but you get to decide who understands, huh?
What a stupid take. Lol you're a fucking clown.
Also, where did you get that I "have no problem with genocide".
I swear to god it's like talking to half-wits on Lemmy most of the time...
Mmm, loving the ad hominem! You deflect from the East's genocides because the West does the same, as if that excuses the East for doing it. That's classic whataboutism and a common tactic of those who don't have a problem with Eastern genocide.
it's literally narcissism, I tell you what, all of these gas lighters and their whataboutisms, they are committing literary genocide