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Ok, 2a people that enjoy this access to tools that can spray bullets, how can we stop the mass killings with firearms? Because I'm ok with letting you have your toys if you can solve that problem.
The vast majority of shootings aren't related to schools, and could be solved by the following measures to make society less hostile, pushing less people to violence:
These two would help cut-down on domestic abuse and kids finding guns:
Furthermore, most school shooters are dudes under 30 buying way more guns than they can afford via credit card knowing they won't have to pay the debt. So don't allow people under 30 to buy rifles with credit cards.
Assault rifle bans make no sense. Most states with bans consider a standard AR-15 build to be an assault rifle but not a mini-14.
They both shoot the same bullets, just as fast, with the same magazine capacities available. But one looks like an old hunting rifle, while the other looks modern and scary.
The things that make a gun considered an assault rifle have nothing to do with how powerful it is, and more to do with how easily you can clean and repair it, or how nice the ergonomics are.
Its literally a giant waste of political clout designed to piss off the right people.
I believe netherlands or somewhere also do a thing where ammo is only available at ranges and places where you use guns, you can't bring the ammo home with you.
Sure, there will always be some guys who break the rules but I'm sure that will prevent a lot of school shootings having ammo readily available.
But really, the very core issue is conditions for the children and the family are just terrible right now.
Fantastic way to address the issues and the explanation of what makes a lot of the so called "common sense" gun legislation so problematic.
Ty for writing this up!
Sounds great, but all drugs should be legal and regulated
Hard pass. You think access to guns trumps someone's right to freedom? That's crazy to me.
The fact that you never once said “attack poverty since its reduction directly and drastically drops crime rates and improves mental health conditions” is pretty telling. Always about reactive punishment with you weirdos, never about proactive targetting of the underlying issues, and certainly never in any of the ways that we’ve seen to be actually helpful and productive.
I used to have my license here in Canada, I think guns are really cool and a day on the range is lovely, but they aren’t at all worth the damage and lives lost. Most people who really want them use the same kinda logic as I did when I was a child to try to get my mom to buy me a Wii, thinking I was clever.
At least point 5 is on the money, even if 3 and 4 are insane.
That’s literally number 1 on their comment…
The government has tried to eliminate poverty since the 60s there hasn't been meaningful gains in my lifetime despite increasing efforts.
Which world government has actually attempted to end poverty but then failed spontaneously without undermining the goal?
In the US all success stories that actually address poverty are super small in scale, or cut as soon as some private well-connected business can redirect public funds to their private accounts. For example the constant "welfare reforms" that have been passed over the years and of course the limiting of social security and various food assistance. Healthcare in the form of medicare is constantly redirected for administration costs of private care providers that have record profits since covid.
Sure they've tried touching more and more people into poverty.
Much of that is utterly unhinged. No wonder they’re called gun nuts. Increase children’s exposure to guns? Reduce gun-free zones?
Many countries have proven the best course is to put heavy penal sentences on gun violence and negligence, to severely limit the people allowed to handle guns, the quantity of guns they can have, and to tightly restrict the places and times they can handle them.
Not to spread them around more.
Teaching and exposure is the only thing that makes sense for things you expect children to find that can be dangerous. It's why Australian children are taught differently about spiders than other countries. Guns are going to be out there in the US.
Why expect children to find guns? That sounds more like a matter for removing the child from irresponsible parenting rather than education.
It happens, we already preach safe storage and include gun locks. Exposure can make guns something that isn't as exciting, and safe handling lessons would save lives.
The concept is that guns are so common and safety is so relaxed that finding an unlocked and loaded gun is common for a child on the US.
Obviously that is why we need to train them to shoot the commies. /s
What is your specific objection in teaching age-appropriate safe handling and use? It significantly reduces accidents.
Being against such basic gun safety training is a very, very confusing position.
Like every civilized country does. Limit who can get lead dispensers (gun law knowledge test, practical exam, psych eval, etc.) and making owners responsible for securing them. Most shootings happen with stolen or otherwise illegal hole punchers (either child from parents or just stolen, e.g. from car). Where I live, you could get jail time for leaving a gun unsupervised in a car or not locked in your home. Or at least would never be allowed to own one again.
But the courts struck that down as well and there is basically no hope of fixing this shit, e.g. via constitutional amendment, cause too many people are busy pushing laws that only harass lawful owners like assault rifle bans (newsflash, a shotgun kills kids just as good as an AR) and many people on the 2A side are now in defense mode instinctively pushing back on any gun laws, even reasonable ones.
Just wish people on the 2A side would actually doing something with it, even if it was just showing up to protests in numbers à la Black Panthers. All it’s done, from this outside perspective, is allow a huge number of people to cosplay as rugged militia rebels but who, far more often than not, just end up sucking boot for their nearest tyrant.
Well, yes. Though do remember that the bootlickers are selection bias. They show up cause they are unlikely to face consequences. There probably are plenty of 2A people who hate the current situation but are not willing to risk the consequences of loosing their life/freedom over it yet. At least I really hope there are.
But they don't pretend there's a way to have access to the guns and stop mass killings. They simply don't care about the mass killings.