cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16451158
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i take every opportunity to shit on, mock, ridicule, insult, verbally abuse bothsidesbad dipshits everywhere they show their stupid fucking faces
whatever happened to all the "vOtE 3rD pArTy BeCuZ gEnOcIdE" fucking morons? actually j/k i don't miss them at all. how's that iran war going? we sure helped palestine by throwing away our vote, huh? fucking idiot clowns
Why do people keep purposely misrepresenting the criticism people had for Harris? Like, I know, it was hard at the time to listen to people warning about her potential to lose. But, we have the advantage of hindsight now. Do we have to pretend the main criticism of Harris was that Trump would be better? No one that wasn't a grifter was saying that.
The vast vast majority of people criticizing Harris were doing so because they correctly warned people that if she did not separate herself from Biden and run FOR something turnout would be low and she would lose.
Do you know what a leader does? They LEAD and guide others in the correct direction. We are there NOW. The people that vote for the Democratic party are ALWAYS significantly ahead of there leaders on the actual issues. They were begging for a leader that would actually step forward and be unafraid and unapologetic in leading on issues and policy.
We don't have to wonder. We are literally seeing it growing RIGHT NOW. From Mamdani to Abdul (soon) we are seeing anti Israel and leftwing populism wipe the floor with Harris style Democrats.
A 15 term incumbent losing DEMOCRATIC primaries to a 29 year old that was saying "fuck Kamala Harris" for not taking a stand against Israel. The people you are crying about that "lost Kamala the election". They are the people literally going out and organizing right now because they are sick and tired of having to explain why the Democratic party keeps losing to Trump and being told "you're the reason Harris lost."
We're done with just explaining it. We're done being used as a scapegoat for the failures of the Democratic party when we offer constructive criticism. We're forcing these politicians out of office that refuse to actually lead.
I don't know a single person I organize with in DSA that didn't go vote for Harris. We aren't the ones that didn't show up. The ones that didn't show up were the people that didn't even know who the presidential candidates were a week before the election. And a lot of them didn't have reason enough to take off work, not be able to pick their kid up from daycare on time, or didn't want to get stuck in traffic, so they decided to not vote that day.
So, please, stop pretending the people actually organizing for good candidates like Mamdani were the people that didn't show up. And, please, come join us at DSA and help us elect people that actually have the motivation and knowledge to be leaders.
Edit: And for the love of God, please stop confusing the majority of the socialist movement with Anarkiddies and the socialist that like to LARP as Maoist third worldist online. We don't like them much either. They are kinda stinky and need to shower. But, they aren't worth even caring about. They don't have any negative effects outside your twitter feed.
Why are you writing novels to defend yourself against something that wasn't even directed at you?
OP clearly referenced people who protest-voted against Harris and subsequently made everything measurably worse for the Palestinians and Earth at large (which was obviously going to happen if Trump won).
My very first sentence categorized their comment as a misrepresentation of what caused the Harris loss. I had a paragraph in my "novel" originally that said that even if all protest votes went to Harris she still would have lost. But I guess my editor removed it in the final draft /s.
So, since I categorized the comment as a misrepresentation of what happened (protest votes having impact), provided evidence for why people stayed home, and provided an explanation of the campaigns failures; the quote you took was a defense of this conclusion in my "novel" and the actual actions of the people that spoke out against Harris for not standing against a genocide.
You can joke about the length of my comment. I am myself. But, don't quote a single sentence out of the context of "the novel" and pretend it was irrelevant to what I was explaining. Do you disagree with the protest vote being irrelevant? It doesn't sound like you do.
I've had this conversation for years now. The next step after I point to the protest vote as mathematically irrelevant is for Harris defenders to blame the "stay at home". It's why I addressed the reasons people stayed home and the failure of the campaign to win against "the couch". The problem was people staying home. But people stay home because they are apathetic, uninformed, misinformed, or aren't excited for either candidate.
We can be frustrated about why that is. But, if a presidential campaign doesn't run their campaign on how things actually are; and instead try to motivate this large voter base through morality or fear. They're going to fail like they did to have people "pokemen go to the polls".
Probably because people still don't seem to understand the electoral college. Which is very bad for demonstrating being a knowledgeable member of the American electorate.
Votes for president have negligible to no meaning due to the electoral college system. We now know that the protest votes counted in the hundreds whereas millions failed to vote at all. No outcomes in any race were decided by protest votes. More right wing libertarians protested the GOP.
The protest voters demonstrably did not make everything measureably worse. They are quite frankly the reason we have seen the dial shift towards elections of people like Mamdani. They're still throwing McMurrows out at every turn.
It's weird how much effort you have to put into convincing people that the team who lost had a bad strategy...
I know. It's exhausting. Especially when you yourself want that team to win rather than the other team win.
People seem to treat the voters like "the players". The voters are the fans in this analogy. If the stadium is empty it's not helpful to keep screaming about the team losing because they aren't being cheered for enough. "The players" are the people that actually have power to make political change. We aren't a direct democracy. If the players aren't "scoring" and don't even try to "swing" the fans stop showing up.
Hell, the Democrats are essentially playing like the 1919 white sox. That's an old analogy. But it's fitting.
If you're active in organizing with DSA, you're literally not the problem. The people we're criticizing would call the DSA "fascist-lite" for not being far enough left. You hinted at acknowledging those people exist in your edit, but I don't think you realize how prevalent they are.
Don't take it personally when people criticize them, because they're not talking about the DSA. Literally no one would call the DSA tankies. Tankies hate the DSA because it proves to people that you can have socialism without authoritarianism. Tankies gatekeep and purity test leftist specifically to keep democratic socialists out of leftist spaces, because they don't want people realizing that the two can go together.
Your critiques of Kamala Harris's campaign aren't without merit, but they're a bit misplaced in this discussion. No one here is saying she was an ideal candidate. But we had two choices: trump or harris. No matter how the election turned out, we were going to get one or the other. Many of us took the harm reduction approach, knowing that opposing trump was worth voting for someone who wasn't great but was not as bad.
We can relitigate this till we're all blue in the face, but I don't think it would be productive. What's done is done, and the current political climate is different from the one in 2024. We have an incumbent Republican trifecta with which many people are displeased, and the pendulum is swinging back into the Democrats' favor right when the internal tides of the Democratic party are shifting towards the DSA and progressive caucus.
There's a lot of momentum right now building for progressive candidates and democratic socialists, so let's not waste that by fighting with each other. Centrist Dems want that. Republicans want that. Let's not give it to them
I think it's reasonable to warn people to look out for bad actors stoking division by using trite catchphrases like "both sides," "blue fash," "fascist lite," etc. Let's focus on the positive momentum. Let's not squander it on purity tests and infighting
It sounds like you supported Hillary and still don't understand why she lost, so you keep the same approach... In reality, tens of millions of voters actually care who the Dem candidate is. If you feed them a pro-corporate anti-worker center-right tool, they might stay home. That is reality, my friend. Blame them all you want. I would blame the DNC, but you do you.
Yeah that's what happens when both "parties" support genocide. More genocide.
How's voting for genocide and then blaming non-voters going? It seems pretty smug.