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She won the primary because the DNC did everything they could to undermine Bernie. Dabbie Wasserman Schultz had already anointed Hillary the chosen one and didn't want anyone screwing with her plan, democracy be damned.
It was my first primary paying attention as an adult. I turned 18 when Obama had already won in late 2008. The primary process of the Democratic party was shocking to me. The super delegates were just insane to me. I phone banked for Bernie. The entire process is like millions of people pretending that the primary process is not a rigged system. News networks showing massive vote leads for states that hadn't cast a single vote because of "super delegates". Over and over just pretending that a candidate had already been chosen. When, well, they had been. We just all were pretending it didn't.
Then you learn of history of the party. Like what was done to drop Wallace from FDR. You realize that this just how it's always worked. There is a massive amount of tools used by the political party to pick their preferred candidate in a smoke filled room. They just don't do that directly. They create all these anti democratic rules and all collectively pretend they are "protecting the party".
They are protecting the party from winning popular support and being able to win against Trump. That's all that's happening. It's on purpose. They are captured by the same capital interest as the Republicans.
Dude nobody voted for Bernie in the primary. He never came close. If his supporters showed up that would be one thing but y'all didn't.
Are you just here to troll? Bernie* had the largest grass roots movement in a generations. Over 100,000 unique people phone banked for him volunteering. Are you European? You sound like you know nothing about how the political process works in the US beyond TV. If you're from the US you definitely have never actually involved yourself in the political process beyond just voting. So many ignorant comments you keep leaving here.
He overwhelmingly lost in the primary because not enough progressives voted for him in the primary like I did. What part about that don't you understand?
Again, you're looking at American elections and pointing to the outcome as your only analysis. I know how voting works mate. But for some reason you are just interjecting useless comments when someone decides to analyze the factors that lead to that outcome?
You have no thoughts beyond "not enough people voted for him"? Is your analysis really that one dimensional? What are you even trying to say? It's like looking at a basketball game and saying "the team lost because they had less points". Wow! Very insightful! What other amazing things do you have to tell us?
What in the actual fuck are you talking about? He lost because most democratic primary voters did not vote for him in the primary. I know because I voted for him in the primary.
I'm not disagreeing with the vote count mate. Do you maybe have any thoughts on WHY he got less votes? Is that ok to ask?
Because historically progressives don't vote and didn't vote in the primary, so the democratic primary voters that do vote in primaries picked the democratic party nominee.
Do you have any other analysis to offer that is not just restating the vote total? "Historically progressives don't vote" tells us nothing about why they would not vote. And progressive is a very vague and ill defined word.
Do you think that maybe media coverage or campaign funds might have had influence on the final vote total? Do you think media coverage including pre counted super delegate votes in every state for Hillary hurt turnout for Bernie? Super delegates that were shifted to Bernie once he still won those states.
I'm literally just asking you for anything beyond "telling me the final score of the basketball game". Were players injured? Was the defense being outplayed? Was the offense not aggressive enough? I am literally asking for your opinion mate. And you keep telling me "not enough people voted for him" in different ways.
Do you have any thoughts beyond that in your head? You keep saying "progressives didn't vote". Why? Saying "historically they don't vote" tells us nothing either. Why would they historically not vote? Can you maybe think about that?
You're asking why progressives don't vote in primaries. Because Americans are largely dumb as fuck and don't understand our own voting system. Because dumb fucks think a protest has power or sends a message instead of just getting republicans elected. Americans are uninvolved, uneducated, and entitled to the point they expect someone what to fix everything for them and refuse responsibility to be civilly engaged. Like you. You're blaming "the man" instead of the people that elected him. If Americans had intellectual curiosity at all whatsoever they wouldn't blindly accept obvious propaganda, but our culture prides itself on anti-intellectualism. Americans elected accurate representatives, and until they start fucking voting in their best interests, maga is a good representation of the average American. Take fucking responsibility for your own fuckin agency and responsibility as citizens. It's your fuckin job to be engaged and informed, and even in spite of all the disinformation that's not hard to do, but Americans don't fucking do it. They they blame everything else like little bitches. Like you're doing now. Vote in the primaries or you are getting what you voted for, period. Fuck off with that "the voters aren't responsible" horseshit.
I asked you for analysis on a specific election and you have essentially said "everyone is dumb" over and over in different ways. Wow, great analysis mate. I'm sure the average idiot in America, that you're complaining about, doesn't have that exact same take. You are so intellectually superior. No one has EVER had such an amazingly unique conclusion.
You are right in a small part. A lot of people are stupid. They are just stupid in the exact same way you are. Stupid with a false sense of confidence that you have some unique perspective. That "if everyone was like me this would be fixed".
I'll let you in on a little secret. Everyone else says the exact same useless shit that you've said. The vast majority of people ARE just like you. Congratulations. You got your wish.
It's like you never learned a basic thing we teach to children. "Is my answer helpful in solving the problem? Or is it only helpful in making me feel better about it?" You are only making yourself feel better by lying to yourself and believing you have some unique ideas. You are the average American that you so strongly despise. You're just a bit more frustrated by it than most others.
What in the goddamn fuck are you even talking about? You fucking morons still think there was some grand conspiracy to Bernie overwhelmingly losing the primary when the answer is simple as nobody voted for him. Americans are disengaged and politically ignorant. We actively choose to believe bullshit propaganda in favor of facts because we are aggressively, proudly ignorant, it's a part of our culture. You want to blame the people manipulating the masses instead of holding the masses responsible for being civically engaged for their own best interests. You're absolving people from their social obligation, which is an ironically American fuckin attitude because why take responsibility for your own agency when you can blame "the man" and "the system" instead of holding the responsible parties responsible. Go fuck yourself. Your attitude deserves and absolutely earned Trump. Congratulations.
You realize the "average dumb American" is frustrated with the stupidity of the population and saying the exact same dumb "smart guy" things you are? Seriously, go talk to the average idiot at your local coffee shop.
You are the average dumb American my friend. It's fucking hopeless. You're essentially just engaging in self flagellation at this point without even realizing it. It's kind of entertaining. So I'll keep responding.
Why do you think your ignorance absolves your responsibility? What kinda bitch-ass take is that?
I never said anything that should make you think that. You said that about me. You're projecting a character you've created in your head onto me.
Oh no they're frustrated, better let fucking fascists take over! Fuck yourself, I'm one of the 75 million that didn't directly ask for this.
Yeah. That's what I said. You're so much smarter than everyone else. You have identified the problem and provided a solution.
Problem: Everyone is stupid. Solution: Everyone stop being stupid.
And anyone that thinks this is unhelpful wants Fascism. Perfect explanation. You are not "the average dumb American". You have got it. I've learned so much from this conversation.
I'll stop advocating for fascist so much. I'm definitely doing that.
The solution is to get everyone to vote in the fucking primaries you fantastic douchebag but you'd rather blame the big tent party for not catering to your brand of bullshit the right way. Take some fuckin responsibility for yourself.
Absolutely. The solution is that every individual person in the US suddenly have a "come to Jesus" moment and just "vote".
Why should we discuss why that hasn't happened? Why should we do anything to make that happen?
We just need to yell at people some more. That'll work!
You done jerking yourself off yet? You got a solution that doesn't require getting Dems elected and holding them accountable by primarying with progressives? Put up or shut up.
Are you still here? I already agreed with you. You're very smart. Too smart for me. I could never come up with such a brilliant solution of "people stop being stupid and vote". I'll let you handle it. You seem to have it all working well.