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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Here's one which actually says what I did: "Don't voice criticisms when it's counter-productive to achieving the goals you want to accomplish".

Voicing criticisms in the primary season? Excellent choice, helps to push people towards the primary candidates which best align with your goals.

Voicing criticisms after the general election? Not as productive, but still fine; helps inform people what the issues are.

Voicing criticisms after the candidates have been chosen, but before the general election? Absolutely moronic, the last thing you want to do. It accomplishes nothing except increasing the the possibility that the worst candidate wins. Totally garbage, toddler-brain decision.

After the primary, your best outcome is defeating whichever popular candidate most opposes your views. Drawing support away from the biggest threat to the worst outcome is counter-productive.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Voicing criticisms after the candidates have been chosen, but before the general election? Absolutely moronic, the last thing you want to do. It accomplishes nothing except increase the possibility that the worst candidate wins. Totally garbage, toddler-brain decision.

What if the criticism is "you're running a bad campaign and going to lose the election because of it"? I really don't think going easy on our representatives is helping them. A healthy party should be capable of digesting criticism at any point in time, not just in pristine conditions.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If that's your criticism, give their office a call or send them an email. This is not productive criticism to present to voters, it's literally the exact opposite.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The DNC doesn't sign my paycheck, I don't work for them. Expecting the general electorate to talk and post about politics like they're DNC employees following a style guide is frankly crazy. They're supposed to try and represent us, not the other way around.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well you're behaving like the RNC signs your paycheck. Your criticisms don't make the DNC change their behavior, it just makes it more likely that the GOP will win more elections.

Expecting the general electorate to talk and post about politics like they have a basic grasp of cause and effect is the bare minimum.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm making a cause and effect argument here. If Democrats don't feel pressure, if they feel like all they need to stay in power is wait for Republicans to fuck up enough that the pendulum tips the other way and they win by default, then they don't really need to deliver anything to voters.

And historically, they haven't. It's how we got Trump. And Bush before him. And Regan. Nixon. This is a long story in US politics, and I don't really expect the script to change in the foreseeable future. So yeah I'm gonna complain about the constant right-ward shift. If that makes me sound like a Republican to you, then whatever. So be it.

[Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72, by Hunter S Thompson] That's the real issue this time," he said. "Beating Nixon. It's hard to even guess how much damage those bastards will do if they get in for another four years."

The argument was familiar, I had even made it myself, here and there, but I was beginning to sense something very depressing about it. How many more of these goddamn elections are we going to have to write off as lame, but "regrettably necessary" holding actions? And how many more of these stinking double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote for something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?

Now with another one of these big bogus showdowns looming down on us, I can already pick up the stench of another bummer. I understand, along with a lot of other people, that the big thing this year is Beating Nixon. But that was also the big thing, as I recall, twelve years ago in 1960 – and as far as I can tell, we've gone from bad to worse to rotten since then, and the outlook is for more of the same.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I didn't say it makes you sound like a Republican. I said it sounds like your paycheck is signed by Republicans, because all you're doing by discouraging people from voting for the only present threat to Republicans is helping Republicans.

I'm all for making Democrats feel pressure, but this complaining online doesn't accomplish that. The DNC isn't scrolling the fediverse to see what online leftists think.

What's the game plan, they lose and decide to shift left next cycle? That was tried with Hillary, and then we got Biden. Even if it worked it's still punctuated by 4 years of even further right Republicans. And it doesn't work, so it's just 4 years of Republicans for literally no reason. At best you could argue accelerationism, but the people who argue accelerationism are selfish bastards who are never the ones suffering under the acceleration.

You know what works? Voting left in primaries. You want to know how to send a message to Democrats? Literally send them a message. They have email inboxes, they have phone numbers, tell them what they're doing wrong. Get all your friends to tell them what they're doing wrong. Get all your friends to vote for progressive candidates in the primaries. And then after the primaries, vote against the Republicans no matter who it is.

Because this? Discouraging voters from damage mitigation? It doesn't do anything except worsen the damage. It's exactly the sort of thing an undercover Republican shill would do to win more elections. If they were literally cutting you a check, you wouldn't be acting any differently.

Focus your complaints in a way that makes a difference, not this short-sighted ideological masturbation.