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[–] HappyCatLuvs_U@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I knew they worshipped the same God, but finding out that Islam also affirms the vast majority of the life of Jesus and his place with-in the larger theological framework just makes me infinitely more upset there is nothing small enough humans won't literally kill each other over it.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Christians went thru the same moderation period we're seeing with Mormons....

Back in the day when Islam started, they were straight up worshipping Jesus as a God.

Early Islam's problem was that "no one is above God" and they regarded Jesus as a (very important) prophet, but that he wouldn't be a full on messiah till he came back from the dead. They also don't buy into Easter and that he came back from the dead for like, two days, before going to heaven anyways.

Like, Islam is basically "diet Christian" where there was still some supernatural shit, but that mostly comes later and everything that has happened so far is more realistic.

But since over the last 500-1000 years, Christianity (except Catholics) have drastically calmed down. Obviously there's some wild ones out there today, but it's nothing like the fervor from the middle ages up to 1700s.

Now, to be fair, there's like 2.1 billion Muslims, the vast majority are also very moderate compared to the religious extremists the West handed a bunch of oil rich countries too.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

he wouldn’t be a full on messiah till he came back from the dead

I'm not at all sure about that bit. I speak Arabic and lived for several years in Muslim countries, but never heard that one before.

they also don’t buy into Easter and that he came back from the dead

The rationale I've heard is that Allah wouldn't let one of his greatest prophets die such an undignified death. So the Islamic story is that JC magically escaped crucifixion somehow. Maybe he did an Elijah?

Like, Islam is basically “diet Christian” where there was still some supernatural shit

Muhammad flying from Jerusalem to heaven on a magical winged horse named Buraq, and hanging out with prophets such as Moses, is certainly at least slightly supernatural. The part where he's reciting part of the Qur'an to some people at an oasis, is overheard by djinn, and some of the djinn convert to Islam is another good one. Apparently Mo got teased about that, some verses in the Qur'an have harsh words about those who doubted and mocked him.

Obviously there’s some wild ones out there today

The racist fundamentalists in the US who support Trump are, if not wild, at least insane. Half their beliefs are fanfic, the rest are cherrypicked or just fabricated with no reference to the Bible or Christian tradition.

[–] HappyCatLuvs_U@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Begging you to explain what you mean by "same moderation period we're seeing with Mormons".

(I realize that statement generally expresses criticism but in this case I am just very genuinely curious to hear your thoughts)

Aware of the early days of the religion trying to basically declare their sovereignty as a nation but not sure that's what you're talking about in context.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Keep in mind the timeline we're talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_changes_to_temple_ceremonies_in_the_LDS_Church

So when I say "recent" I'm talking about like 1960s to now on that list. That's short enough that living members were indoctrinated before the changes, after that's no longer true, they really solidfy.

But that goes all the way back to the 1830s and their leader being able to imbue his followers with magic powers. The ~200 years Mormanism has been around is basically nothing, and all new religions go thru a similar moderation period.

The point were practioners stop believing in outright magic, and start talking about how their figurative stories and obviously not to be taken literally.

It's the normal evolution of religion and has been happening for all of human history.

The times were religious fevor increases, is almost always as a distraction to what the wealthy and powerful don't want us to notice.