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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 20 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

The decline of the Roman empire was a wild thing for the people actually living on the ground. Imagine you're living in Alaska. You were born there and have never considered yourself anything but American. Your home is, as far as you're concerned, completely inseparable from America and as American as any other part of the country.

One day you see an emergency press conference on the TV. It's a press conference by governor. They're announcing that they just received word from Washington. The message said:

"We're sorry we have to do this. But the federal government just can no longer maintain our presence in Alaska. The country just can't afford it anymore. The national finances are exhausted and the nation must consolidate down to focus on its core territories. You will no longer be federally taxed, all federal troops will be withdrawn from the state, no federal dollars will be spent on the state, and Alaska will no longer receive representation in Congress. Existing US citizens in Alaska will retain their citizenship, but new children born in Alaska will be subject to the same citizenship rules as those born to American expatriates living overseas. We are granting Alaska full independence. We wish you the best. Good luck. But you are on your own."

Imagine what it would be like to be a resident of Alaska and to hear that message. How do you even respond to that? Do you stay in the US, leave Alaska, and move to the lower 48? Do you try to stick it out in the newly independent Alaskan nation? Can Alaska even survive as an independent nation?

In the modern world, we're not used to national governments just packing up and leaving a state or province. Governments work so hard to suppress even the possibility of revolt that the idea of one just abandoning a state or territory is a strange concept. But historically this does happen with declining empires. It really wouldn't even be that crazy of a move for a declining US. Alaska is a part of the US, but it isn't a core territory. The lower 48 is really the core of the United States. Territories beyond this are mostly money sinks useful for either resource extraction or power projection. Nice things to have, but not the US's core population and economic centers. I can foresee future scenarios where the US eventually just walks away from places like Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and other territories not contiguous with the US mainland. No empire lasts forever, and collapse tends to move from the periphery inward. On the ground in the periphery, this looks like the national government just announcing you're no longer part of the country.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 3 points 6 minutes ago

I don't think this really captures what it would have felt like to be abandoned by Rome.

For all it's ills Rome brought civilisation and technological advantages to the places it conquered.

When Rome withdrew I think the most keenly felt loss in many areas would have been to be cut off from that ordered civilisation.

One moment you're a citizen of Rome, and the next your grain is looted and your daughters have been taken by barbarians.

It might be something more like, an announcement that it's no longer profitable to maintain internet access for your entire country, so the network is simply being shut off, never to return.

As an aside, I'm in Western Australia. In terms of national identity I think many of us are fairly ambivalent to being "Australian" as opposed to being "Westralian". 50 years ago there was a referendum about succession which actually won support - we chose to succeed from Australia. The Australian government saw sense after that and acquiesced to our demands, so it never went ahead. My point is though, if you live in a place and that place is cut off from the broader nation, do you lose your national identity or does your existing national identity just become more closely defined.

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 4 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 18 minutes ago

Yeah, I don’t think ~~so~~.

FTFY.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

In the modern world, some other country (Canada or maybe Russia, in your example) would immediately annex it.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 35 minutes ago

The white empire is.vast. it first looks like countries like south Korea geopolitically realigning away from the USA and the military bases closing