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[–] GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 90 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Author: Satirizes toxic masculinity via cartoonishly terrible male characters

A concerningly significant portion of men: basedbasedbasedbasedbased

[–] janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Heinlein was suuuuper in favor of a colonial/martial culture. The whole reason he wrote Starship Troopers was because he was disappointed that the US suspended nuclear weapons testing which he saw as further evidence of the decline of martial culture. The book clearly advocates for the promotion of civic duty as a moral imperative as well as for things like corporal punishment. He WANTED the "toxic masculinity" culture, that was his own culture as he perceived it.

The movie is basically the complete opposite, satirically portraying colonial/martial values against the backdrop of an imperial state. It's one of the biggest disparities in intent vs interpretation I have ever seen.

The movie rocks, by the way. Still watch it once a year

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I vaguely heard that Heinlein engaged with a whole bunch of different ideologies for different books.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I believe it was Clarke that mentioned that Heinlein's political beliefs depended on who he was having sex with that month.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, he's the hardest to pin down of the 20th century masters of sci fi. LeGuinn wears her heart on her sleeve and while she explores ideas, she has a consistent direction. Herbert demands critical thinking (if the entire book is Paul terrified of the evil of him leading the jihad, what does it mean when he leads the jihad at the end). Asimov is out there exploring ideas, but you can figure him out (it's been a long time since I've read him). And Clarke is pretty consistent in his distrust of those who desire power.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Rico wasn't a terrible person. But he really is the exception in the list.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Rico is an officer in the war-machinery of one of the more fascist systems imagined in film. After the events of Operation Royalty he sends what basically amounts to child-soldiers to their deaths. He believes only military service should grant citizenship and shows unquestioning loyalty to the Federation.

But I'm sure he only followed orders, that's a perfectly good excuse.

[–] IpsumLauren@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

He also had his family killed in Buenos Aires.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't remember him becoming an officer. Guess I'm just going senile. My b.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's the ending scene. "We have new ships, we have new weapons. Now we need soldiers..." they show Carmen as captain of her own ship with a lieutenant that looks like she didn't even finish high school and then Rico as the lieutenant of the roughnecks, their ranks filled with new, younger recruits. "C'mon you apes, you wanna live forever?!"

Right! I'm going to have to rewatch it here sometime soon.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, in the movies alone he's pretty much the same thing: officer of a fascist war machine. And while he is presented as a dumb jock at the beginning, by the end of the movie (movies, too) he's pretty much shown absolutely no character growth, besides being much more pumped about the fascist war machine.

Every time I think about Rico, I remember when he talks about citizenship. First in school, then at the funeral. Same definition, word for word. Just more conviction the second time around.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When did he become an NCO? I remember the movie ending with him as a boot.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

He becomes an NCO after he kills the first tank bug and becomes a full officer after the funeral.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Rico was a terrible person, but through experience and hardship learned the weight of being an adult comes with a high price.