Political Memes

Clearly there's no way for me to penetrate your preconceived notions. I

I thought we were just talking. No, you are not going to convert me to communism. I went through that phase decades ago. I am just a humanitarian now.

Your definition of minority is nonsensical and tautological

Don't act dense. It is not my definition. Take it up with a dictionary I suppose.

You think this is a part of fascism?

Yes, the MIC is an integral part of modern day fascism.

You're fully able to accept that the US is a psychotic fascist state wreaking havoc all over the globe but anyone who sells arms into a contested theater is now fascist?

The US is worst followed by Russia, France, and China. I am surprised you find this such a hard concept to wrap your head around. If you sell arms to worn torn nations you are a piece of shit.

any society that represses non-conformism is not truly following the doctrine of the liberation of the working classes.

I did not say this, but I suppose I could have implied it. I would generally agree with this statement. Remember, I do have a soft spot for idealism.

I know you won't concede that, but that's why I don't think I can break through your defensive wall.

You are acting like a missionary here. I don't need you to proselytize to me. I have spent all my life helping people. As I said, I have marched with the socialists and I look up to their ideals already. I have stood on my state capital steps and fought for minority rights. I have been involved at the local, state, and federal level. I have lobbied senators and congressmen. I started as a Republican, became a Democrat, and then switched to an Independent.

I am also a realist. Modern day and historical communism is deserving of plenty of criticism. I think you mistake my criticism for condemnation. I appreciate and care about all people and that definitely includes Russians and Chinese. I don't care for their governments at all.

You've convinced yourself that everyone else is committing the fallacies you are committing,

You are just grasping at straws now apparently. If you want to continue discussing that is fine, but I think this is counterproductive.

Clearly you've never read anything

Clearly you can't deny the truth.

a war machine capable of defending itself against Western Europe

I don't believe this for a second. This is pure propaganda. The Soviets had nothing to fear after their nuclear arsenal was developed and furthermore they engaged in a ton of Imperialism.

then built it even further so that it could defend all of Europe from the Nazis

More re-envisioning! The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, signed on August 23, 1939 was a confidential addendum signed by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, which divided Eastern Europe into mutual spheres of influence. Gee golly carving up Eastern Europe is not a good look.

Of course the Nazi broke the pact, and it was a good thing they did as all of Europe could have fallen if they hadn't invaded Russia. A decision that caused a ridiculous number of human deaths.

You think the enrichment of a political class was an "always" thing

It was and is.

representative system of government will always be an oligarchy no matter what,

So far history has proven this. Perhaps there will be some future government deserving of humanity. I look forward to this day for all people.

Considering that the US is constantly threatening China with military encirclement,

Saber rattling is not a good look.

You're not dealing with reality.

That is fucking rich. You have failed to refute anything I have said and instead fall back to the propaganda you have been taught.

We can get in to the labor problems in China specifically

Yes, let us examine the exploitation of workers by a supposed communist government. What a joke

Chinese peasants were rice farmers and working far harder because they had to in order to survive.

I am sure the hundreds of millions of Chinese rural farmers really appreciate the billionaire class they will never be part of. They can't even get decent medical care compared to urban areas

And as for that oligarchy, Chinese politicians are well known to work long hours daily

Because they culturally don't believe in a work life balance it makes them not an Olgiarchy. Gotcha.

Your understanding of liberation is at odds with the understanding of liberation that communist analysis has arrived at.

Probably because I look beyond your analysis. I am sorry, but I don't base my belief on books written hundreds of years ago that do not take into consideration where we are now.

The idea that China is not socialist

The fact is they pumped out more billionaires than the US for three years straight and show zero signs of slowing down. I find it a bit amazing that you still pine for them as communist, let alone socialist. I suppose it show just how far off base you are.

Using central planning to corner the world market in an effort to enrich themselves as capitalists and control other countries as imperialists isn't what I would call socialist. You may prefer their form of Imperialism because it is less violent for now I suppose. I can't really blame you though as much of life is picking between the lesser of evils.

Your defense is that communist movements are political and have a military?

I said a statement about how they conduct their business. You apparently can't refute it. That is fine by me. Your conjecture here is borderline childish.

I'm serious though. Your position amounts to "liberation is only possible when you don't fight back, don't wield power, and don't exist".

More acting like a child who can't handle criticism.

But again, I can't convince you. Convincing you of any point would be a moral failing on your point. You even think you've deprogrammed yourself so if I convince you of anything you will have failed that too.

You have done a horrible job at convincing me considering I already appreciate socialism as a movement. You are clearly regurgitating an enormous amount of propaganda in our discussion which I have countered effectively. You don't have the answers I am looking for and I am much further along in my journey than you.

But other than that, I dunno. I don't think we have any way to communicate with each other

Don't worry, I am not going anywhere and I will be here when you need me. I was serious about my offer for help. Peace be with you.