Made this in response to a meme saying that Tankie and Communist are the same thing.
this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2026
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I saw the word creativity and assumed they were talking about creativity. Soviet cinema and socialist realism disproves this. If they were truly talking about envisioning different systems of government, they should have said that. Instead, they made a comically huge and hand waving statement about raw creativity from socialist projects.
That's textbook moving the goalposts.
To be clear: they're not moving the goalposts, they're correcting a point of misunderstanding.
Moving the goalposts is when someone attempts to redefine a claim after the original claim was proven wrong. If you reread it, @ChicoSuave@lemmy.world's point from the beginning was a critique of modern-day Soviet apologists, not of the citizens, artists, activists, and workers of the Soviet Union.
Again you talk about cinema and plays and art when that's not what the topic was to begin with. You're just shadowboxing my comment. Have fun being disingenuous online I guess.
I am talking about creativity. Soviet era entertainment was based on pre-existing fairy tales and examining the human condition. LOTS of introspection and very little new or innovative that would challenge the status quo.
Over the same time across the world there were new world of art introducing new ideas and characters that no one had seen before. Comicbooks took the world by storm but were ignored in Soviet controlled areas.
Soviet art is exactly what I said authoritarian art is: it lacks innovation and new ideas, instead building on what exists. Instead of creating new heroes that resonate across cultures they have deep introspective works examining the human condition. New forms of art come from egalitarian communities. New ways of expressing existing art forms comes from authoritarian communities.
Comic books find their roots in cartoons, satire, and humor books. They didn't just manifest out of nothing. Do tell me what "original" or "new" ideas were coming out during that era that don't find their roots in earlier work.
You're prepared to be broadly reductive but tell me what Soviet cultural innovations arose? The West had super powered comic book heroes not based on preexisting fairy tales. The West had movies an entire generation before Soviet film developed as a cultural feature. The West had genre defining literature. The West created game shows. There is so much stuff that didn't exist before and it was the science of the West that powered these innovations. What did the Soviets do that didn't copy what came before?
What movies, literature, and game shows are you thinking of?