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No one would call you one for that. Newsom is 100% owned and sucks hard. Now maybe if you attack people calling for solidarity to keep a Republican from office. Without offering a viable alternative. But let's hope it doesn't come to that.
With no incumbent at least we should be guaranteed a primary. No doubt it will still be a shit show. But hopefully we can take him out in the primary.
You obviously haven’t been on Lemmy for too long. Anyone disagreeing with the “blue no matter who” rhetoric on here gets called a tankie.
It's just math.
When you have, for all practical purposes, two choices, and one of them will win, you're most likely in the position of having to vote for the least shitty candidate. Failing to do so only supports the most shitty candidate.
As long as the general election is FPTP, that math will hold. Specific to Newsom, as bad as he is, I can think of a whole lot of people who are worse than him.
This is exactly why US democracy is a lie. If you get a “choice” between evil and hellish, you don’t really have a choice.
Never said it wasn't, but that's the realpolitik.
So if the democracy is a lie, nobody should be getting mad when people choose to vote third party, or refuse to engage with voting, right?
….
Right?
Go buy some lottery tickets, you're bad at math.
Or a Russian LLM
My lemmy.world account will be 4 years old this June. I've been active since then pretty regularly.
Generally it's the people who are against Blue no matter who that are the ones that do the name calling. There's one down below even. But I'm not going to deny it goes a little bit both ways.
Slogans by the very nature cannot be nuanced manifestos. They must be short, punchy, and easy to remember. But till November 4th, we are in the general. You are just gonna have to accept it. I'd rather have DSA all day, every day too. But they don't even run here.
But yall need to understand. You might have the privilege of being able to vote for a third party without hurting a national/state Democrats chances of winning your state. But plenty of places have issues with even having a second party running in elections let alone someone other than Democrats. If you don't atack others for taking advantage of the only viable choices they have. Waving Your Privilege in their face. They won't attack you for your privilege. Let's work together to get the best viable options to improve the material conditions of everyone. Agreed?
you havent been on bluesky or some of the earlier lemmy posts about him. I remember getting told to "enjoy the camps" because I was pissed back when he started to clearly show he was a transphobic cunt
I avoid bluesky. Not my tastes.
I think newsom is unqualified to hold a door open, let alone public office. Unfortunately you and I are minorities and what we think doesn't matter much. God forbid he or Harris make it to the general. But if they should. Do you think it better the election go to whatever homunculus Thiel is running? In the general, what other viable option will there be? If you live in a blue state. Absolutely vote your conscience. All I want is for those voting for their material conditions to not be attacked by those who should be allies. Same as you.
This time there will be a primary at least. Unlike the acrimony that corpse Biden unleashed in 24. So there's a chance they won't make it. And we have 2 years to make that a reality.
That has literally already happened to me on here multiple times. Liberals do not have solidarity, that's kind of their problem.
It's kind of ironic you assuming that people are liberals just because they disagree with you. And being upset that they call you a tanky for disagreeing with them. Something which I'm not doing.
Quite frankly I think we should abolish the state. But unfortunately when it comes to solidarity unless you and I have solid viable alternatives. That will directly impact their material conditions in a positive way. And realistically short of Revolution we don't. And I don't see anyone revolting here. Then we are unfortunately left to go with the majority when it comes to things like the national elections. Which again is why we shouldn't have such wide spread election. Or offices that centralized to require such. But non-participation doesn't improve the material conditions of anyone.
Bud, it isn't an assumption when the action is both reliant on liberal beliefs, and the individuals openly express liberal values.
Also, you don't get to pick that moral value for other people. As much as I believe we are obligated to exercise whatever power we are afforded, which includes a vote, I could never in good conscience tell someone they're a problem for refusing to participate in a system that has committed genocide against their people. Colonizers don't just colonize by explicitly and intentionally dominating other groups, they often do so by asserting that their "moral" philosophy is in everyone's best interest, even if that means the "unfortunate" reality that necessitates them deciding for others.
The narrative you just created requires us to forget that vulnerable people have revolted against the US state for centuries. You're saying that their resistance only counts as something to put faith in when the privileged white people join in, and conveniently, that means we should just do what the privileged white people wany out of practicality. This is not the mindset of a reasonable, empathetic person, it is of someone whose politics are oriented around their own comfort; many of us do not enjoy that privilege.
If the sole survivor of a Palestinian family does not want to vote, who the fuck are you or I to tell them they're immoral if they don't want to help their family's murderers do anything for some fake "greater good." For fuck's sake, you'd refuse them even that? Why should you have any right to tell a closeted trans person who's skirting through genocide that they aren't allowed to maintain some feeling of power or self-authorship by refusing this system their participation? What, them giving away their less than one percent of the vote gonna make all the privileged people listen to trans people for the first time fucking ever?
These are people who have lost and given more than what we could ask of anyone simply by being victimized by this system, and they do not represent dominant voting trends even in the minority groups they represent. You want them to vote for your benefit, don't act like it is anything else. This discourse didn't become prominent in liberal discourses until they wanted to blame victims for not supporting the "good guys," and it's disgusting. If you're going to act like this is from whatever, socialist and/or anarchist voters, I'd love to see either stats that proves some sleeping giant lives among us, or an argument that targets them specifically without presuming to speak on the moral purity of victims.
Fuck off with this fake shit.
Listen up bud. Most people, for better or worse aren't overtly political. That they share a belief with liberals doesn't make them any more "liberals" in any committed or devoted sense. Than myself having anarco communist views makes me a leninist or you a tanky. But you know who runs around calling people they disagree with "liberals" regularly? Tankies. You are legit doing what you are accusing others if doing. Two wrongs don't make a right either.
If refusing to participate makes the material conditions worse. I can and will point it out all day. If you live in a state that will safely not go Republican if you don't participate. That is a unique circumstance and a privileged choice that you specifically are afforded. If you run around telling people generally to do that. Not knowing how that will impact anyone. Possibly extremely negatively. Such as getting vulnerable people to abstain or vote for the person that would victimize them more. (Which happened) You should expect criticism. And if you don't want it. Don't announce your vote/lack of it to the world. And we won't care. Everyone is entitled to vote whoever they want or not at all.
I'm also quite well aware of what the United States is. But thanks for the unneeded lecture. I am a tribe member. Officially on the rolls. The United States has persecuted suppressed and slaughtered my people for hundreds of years. Canada too. I don't have any great sympathy for them. But I did get a chuckle out of this.
I've honestly tried to keep our discussion very civil and fact-based. I'm starting to think that was a mistake. But can we at least agree. That we should be trying to make more allies and not enemies. That we shouldn't rush to Judgment of others even if they rush to Judgment of us. If we go looking for enemies we will find them or make them one way or the other. And neither of us needs that. There are already enough actual enemies.