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Trump tweet:

It is my Great Honor to report that the United States of America now fully owns and controls 10% of INTEL, a Great American Company that has an even more incredible future. I negotiated this Deal with Lip-Bu Tan, the Highly Respected Chief Executive Officer of the Company. The United States paid nothing for these Shares, and the Shares are now valued at approximately $11 Billion Dollars. This is a great Deal for America and, also, a great Deal for INTEL. Building leading edge Semiconductors and Chips, which is what INTEL does, is fundamental to the future of our Nation. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As far as government bail outs go, I think taking a portion of the company in exchange is an excellent idea. THIS orange asshole is doing it for all the wrong reasons, and will VERY likely fuck up literally everything about it, but the idea is sound.

I wonder what things would look like today if the government had taken some portion of control over all the auto manufacturers, airlines, banks, etc it has bailed out over the years instead of just giving them unsecured loans

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 12 hours ago

I wonder what things would look like today if the government had taken some portion of control over all the auto manufacturers, airlines, banks, etc it has bailed out over the years instead of just giving them unsecured loans

Would look like normal capitalism of the early XIX century, give or take. Bad, but not atrocious. Bailouts definitely wouldn't be abused as much, because, eh, they wouldn't be free.

And the old argument that public sector management is inefficient - well, it's not always a bad thing. It would then make sense for the government to re-privatize some of those shares, and use others for a source of income and a lever. And the companies bailed out this way would sink in power (which is good for competition), but not completely (which is good for their employees and economical stability). And, of course, I'll repeat about source of income. Perhaps there will be no more raising taxes with such a system in place. Perhaps even some taxes it'll be possible to simplify - any complex tax system works in favor of those who can afford to apply expertise, so those richer, and not poorer.

Also partial or full nationalization may sometimes work to good outcomes, while nationalized companies are less efficient, they also tend to retain institutional knowledge better, have more people working long on the same positions, follow labor regulations. For the telephone company or the train company or the central heating company or the public bus company it makes sense to be nationalized.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

you raise interesting questions. how do you stop some asshole president from using infinite taxpayer money to manipulate the price of a stock?

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I don't know if you've noticed, but they already do that with zero government money.

[–] socialsecurity@piefed.social 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The same way SEC stops market markers from manipulating the stocks ;)

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] socialsecurity@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago

SEC is there to cover up corruption