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I find it incredibly distressing that I can remember a time when people connected with each other, learned about each others values, principles and ideas for themselves and their nation, and they largely adapted to each other, they compromised, they changed views and tried to make things work.
The idea that now we've let the system become so vastly important to us that voting lines determine basic compatibility as humans talking to each other is just tragic. It's an artificial boundary that groups of people have deliberately built around us and we took it on and embraced it.
I would never endorse "giving a violent MAGA redneck a chance" or something, but the reality is more nuanced and there are thousands and thousands of median voters who have no idea what's going on in politics and figure a vote for trump was the same as a vote for bernie was the same as a vote for clinton and so on. It doesn't make them bad it makes them overworked, ignorant, tired or poorly educated.
We would do better at least talking to people more, particularly people we don't agree with so we can learn how to reach them and bring them up to a better place.
edit: a lot of you have never talked to another human in your life and base all your beliefs about the average median voter from youtube shorts that algorithms have fed you to make you angry and want to hate them. Welcome to being a cog.
Maybe you’re idealizing the past? I was watching a Seinfeld episode from like 97 that was about Elaine liking a guy but she has to find out if he’s an anti abortion conservative before she goes further. So even in those days there was enough of a divide that people were talking about it. Go back to the 60s same thing, you weren’t gonna have left hippies dating right wing yuppies. It’s important to find a partner who is not in support of whatever the fuck conservatives think they’re doing nowadays, especially for a woman who may feel vulnerable and doesn’t wanna fall into a pit with a guy who doesn’t share her values and sees her as less than himself
Seinfeld was a TV show and exaggeration of reality, and the protagonists were giant pieces of shit, as evident by the series finale.
But yes, it was joking about a growing trend. A trend that has existed on some level since the dawn of time, but my point is that it's been accelerated and amplified to a degree that hasn't existed in the past. I know, I am from the past.
I disagree. I remember the 90s, and not only was abortion a very hot topic, but IVF was fairly new then, and there was enormous debate over whether it was ethical or should be outlawed because the religious right argued (vehemently) that, because it necessarily means many fertilised embryos were destroyed in the process, 'babies' were being killed. The 'life begins at conception' argument was in full force back then.
Not only were abortion clinics being bombed on the regular, but fertility clinics, too. It seemed rare for a while that you could go a week without hearing about a fertility-related doctor being killed in some way, sometimes in their own homes. Given the vitriol in the past few years, I've been surprised they're not trying to outlaw IVF again (I think it's only a matter of time).
The debate has been heated lately, but we haven't hit 90s level of murder over it.