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As an American I can see their perspective though. In the first Trump admin, we could blame the weirdness of the electoral college process as the majority of the population opted against him. This second term is different though. The majority of the US election participants voted in favor of all of this. At that point, it’s pretty fair to blame the populace for the outcome as the majority of voters actively supported this outcome. I still can’t believe when I overhear folk at restaurants actively in favor of this craziness.
No, they didn't. It's extremely clear that they cheated in the 2024 election, but the Dems let them off the hook, declaring the election process "Fair & Square" immediately after the polls closed, because winning the election was less important than demonstrating to MAGA what losing gracefully and having a peaceful transfer of power looks, and accompanied by their favorite thing - trademarked Democratic Smugness. They like that better than winning.
As usual, it all came down to the Swing States. He might have won one or two, but he cleared the table, despite not a single poll showing that being possible. The Dems simply accepted that there were MILLIONS of ballots that were straight Democratic tickets, with Trump at the top, and they were ONLY concentrated in these states.
Who votes like that? Does anybody know one? Ever see one on TV? There are millions of them, where are they? They are all concentrated in the Swing States, so they shouldn't be hard to find, but I've never talked to one, seen one, or even heard of one - because they don't exist. The ballots were changed, obviously.
All they had to do was change the result of one race in only seven states, and he openly enlisted the help of two people in control of the most advanced hacking resources on the planet, who both declared that they were committed to a MAGA victory. Despite the obvious fraud, the Dem leadership played right along, and let it happen, just so they wouldn't sound like Trump, screaming non-stop about a stolen election, even though it was TRUE!
Everybody in America knows in their heart that this is all true, even the MAGAs. They are so irredeemable that they'd love to brag about how they stole the election from the Libz, but they can't do that.
When this is over, the Dems should definitely establish the 2024 Election Fraud Scheme, and then declare Trump's second presidency to be invalid. Roll back all legislation, executive orders, policies, etc. Everybody can have their government job back, with back pay and a signing bonus. Those who have moved on should get pack pay, and severance. He used pardons to cover-up his crimes, and solicit bribes, so ALL of his presidential pardons are invalidated, and they all go back to jail, no exceptions.
I have to tell you that I want to believe I really do. It would be so much better than accepting that the majority of American voters chose this future. In your view, is it just small modifications in swing states which gave Trump the electoral college or do you believe this impacts total vote count to a degree that it changes the overall majority vote count? What I’m getting at is, do you believe the vote manipulation only delivered the electoral college or do you believe that the majority of voters did indeed vote against trump? For me, if it was just the electoral college, it changes little in my opinion of the state of our country. If it’s the actual majority vote, that shows a path to redemption.
I definitely think it was far beyond the actual vote. They didn't just nudge it enough to game the electoral college, although it's essentially the same thing - win the popular vote, and you get ALL the Electoral votes. So either way, they are disenfranchising the winning margin.
But winning wasn't the ONLY objective. They wanted to smooch his big fat porky ass, so they wanted to deliver the first Republican popular vote winner since 1980. So they went a little crazy, and delivered a ludicrously implausible victory.
Millions of straight Democratic ballots, with Trump at the top.
Concentrated in Swing States.
Multiple hacking teams on the case, by foreign Oligarchs.
As if that isn't adding up for you, add in that he has cheated at literally EVERYTHING in his entire life, and that he absolutely required this victory to avoid a life sentence in Federal prison. Are we to believe that the first time he did ANYTHING without cheating, "Fair & Square," is the one election that would keep him out of a life sentence in prison?
The Democrats sued in swing states only, to keep De La Cruz off the ballot.
Yeah, and fuck those North Koreans, too. /s
Why haven't the Russian people stepped up to take care of Putin already?! /s
The people of Hong Kong didn't do enough. /s
Asinine. Xenophobic.
I mean, not to nitpick, but I don’t think one can be xenophobic of their own country. N Koreans can’t vote. Hong Kong couldn’t vote (odd governance structure that didn’t allow them control of their own laws), and Russia is Russia.
Are you arguing that those are examples of trustworthy partners?
If you are the suverein - you are responsible If you are victim - your country can't be trusted
That's the point.
Literally not even close to what I said.
Its either one or another.