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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No disagreement, but they believed he would lose because they miscalculated just how popular he was becoming in that demographic. They assumed either a typical republican turnout, or slightly reduced due to centrist republicans being turned off by his populism and abrasive aesthetic. They didn't expect the high turnout among young white men, and a big motivation for those voters was a reactionary misogynistic and anti-establishment resentment. That Hillary was a white woman from the political elite class amplified that sentiment, too.

He didn't 'have anything to do' with gamergate directly, but that movement is what set the environment for his popularity. Had that demographic remained politically apathetic, there's a good chance the election would have gone more like what the democrats were expecting. And had the democrats run a more populist candidate/policy platform that addressed the sinking popularity among their own base, they might have overcome that higher turnout on the republican side.

They seem poised to replay the same strategy, though - Newsome is a milquetost neoliberal candidate from the political elite class, and unless trump actually sinks his own coalition, Newsome likely won't activate enough of the democratic base (who is increasingly unhappy with the party) to beat a similar high anti-establishment voter base on the republican side. I'm praying AOC actually runs, or another progressive with a populist economic agenda, and that the democrats don't fuck themselves and the entire country over by working against the popular sentiment among young democrats and non-voters. It would be a huge mistake for them to assume trump is unpopular enough to ignore their own unpopularity within the progressive side of their caucus.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know why you keep trying to bring gamergate into it. That didn't have anything to do with it.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because trump's rise through the republican party was predicated on a popular reactionary movement that was - at the very least - far less prominent during the rush limbaugh days. Democrats made a political calculation that Trump couldn't win, and that calculation included factoring in the green party voters for trump. The part they missed is that the culture had shifted, and a big part of that shift happened during and after gamergate in a demographic they weren't expecting to turn out.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You have your causal relationship wrong. Gamergate was not causal in electing Trump. That's a bit like saying satanic panic got Reagan elected.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The alternative being, what exactly? Trump creating the environment of resentment himself?

I think that's hubris. If that were true, then the American political system is so unstable that all it takes for a fascist takeover is the right person to come along and flip a switch.

Edit: im also not saying gamergate caused Trump to get elected, only that it lead to the environment where he could win

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The fascist takeover was facilitated by the compromised republican party infiltrating every level of government with cultists. Literally nothing to do with gamergate.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Compromised by who? Who elected them? And why did they elect them?

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mostly the religious right because they are easily mislead.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

they are easily mislead

"That would mean all it would take is for the right person to come along and flip a switch"

This is idiotic and the dems will never win again if this is their understanding.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's all Trump really did. He latched on to the inherent racism of the tea party and religious right and just started saying the quiet part out loud.

Gamergate had literally nothing to do with it in any way shape or form.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He rode a popular wave of anti-establishment resentment.

Unless you think the Joe Rogan fanbase is comprised of religious fanatics, you've missed the same cultural undercurrent that the Democrats have missed.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're trying to insert cultural undercurrent that doesn't exist. I know you have some sort of vendetta you're working through, but try not to let it cloud your judgement.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I dont have any kind of vendetta, it's an extremely well known analysis of current US affairs

Im not sure why you're so intent on dismissing culture as a relevant context to the rise of MAGA. Most political scientists agree that Trump marked a notable shift and a deviation from political norms and assumptions from pre-2012 politics. Even insisting on the 'religious right' doesn't explain Trump's popular appeal at a point in time when religious participation in the US is at an all-time low. Seems to me like it might be you with a vendetta, since your explanation seems to boil down to 'religious bigots are dumb'

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

lol. If you can't do better than "no you" you might want to just stop.