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You nailed it on the head. If AOC runs, I’m absolutely voting for her. If not, Kelly seems a lot better than Newsom.
Kelly is quite a bit more right wing than Newsom. Kelly's voting record is pretty terrible for Dems.
Yeah Kelley seems to be a centrist with a soul. I don't want another fucking centrist but I really must insist on a candidate with a soul
As opposed to the literal Nazi puppets that were pushed into power?
Ya I'm not compromising. Leftist or nobody
You are the reason Trump won.
LMAO if even you clown. I played it safe with the Democrats non nominee the last two times Trump won. They still had their asses handed to them.
Done playing it safe. I do blame Trump's victory on The pro Palestine protest voters though. Maybe you should be mad at them. They stayed home. I at least tried. You're a fucking joke. This isn't reddit noob This isn't a safe space for dem neolibs
You fail basic statistics and common sense, you are free to do what ever you want, but the US election cycle is a solved problem. Drawing a line in the sand inadvertantly supports everything you are against because you are not supporting the candiates who wont do MOST of those things. You let perfection be the enemy of progress and everyone is worse off for it.
Vote for your candidate in the primary, vote against their opposition in the general. Tactical voting is most important right now, otherwise you get another GOP term.
LMAO no. Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi have shown who they are. Complicit with the fascists. Besides I live in a red state, my vote does not matter. Maybe occasionally for local
Sigh... Beating my head on a brick wall. Hypothetical then: after all the politicing, the progressives fall flat again, how do you react if the general ballot is Vance vs Newsome?
(Ive almost given up on you, but im still going to drive this point home)
Whoever is left of newsom. Like I said my vote does not matter in my state unless I lived in Omahas district, which I don't, But I get the rare privilege of voting my mind and telling the Dems to f off. Your not getting the picture, I'm the one beating my head against the wall. People want candidates who will actually fight back now, not do finger wagging like the Dems do. Newsom is a finger wager.
I also can't wait to be called a trump supporting Nazi by Dems like you.
Then my only hope is that if that comes to pass, and a progressive is not the democrat ticket, you show up and spoil your ballot. Those who do not participate give up the right to complan about it. Write in Batman, that is your right, but understand that being unwilling to compromise with the people who want mostly the same things as you do is exactly how we got here to begin with.
The Dems don't want the same things. They are complicit with the billionaires and will never hold Republicans responsible who have broken the laws and destroyed this country. I want a leftist version of Trump. No compromise just do . Republicans must suffer
AOC does not move me honestly. I would vote kelly over her. Maybe yang.
Ew
That’s just a vote for the aipaic uniparty
I love AOC, I think she's the future of the country, but please please PLEASE do not nominate another candidate with a vagina in 2028. We're just not ready for that.
I am selfish as a New York State resident and want to keep her, and give her Chuck's seat in 2028. Maybe after a term or three in the Senate we'll be ready to elect someone without a penis as President.
It's so frustrating when well-meaning people have this blatantly sexist take.
The problem with Hillary and Kamala was not their vaginas, it was their policies.
If you actually believe that the US is too sexist to elect a woman, then you need to explain the election of Claudia Sheinbaum in Mexico. By every statistic (rape, domestic violence, etc), Mexico is a more sexist nation than the US, yet they overwhelmingly elected a woman.
Personally, I think Kamela's biggest issue was the lack of primaries. Any candidate shoved into running when the elections are halfway done, are going to have a massive issue with recognition and being 'proven' for the role. A primary is both a filter and an advertising event.
What utter BS. We have progressive women winning races in the house and Senate so the problem isn't having a damn vagina. The issue is the last two women presidential candidates were neoliberal jackasses that had crappy policies and dismissive attitudes toward their electorate.
Sure be selfish and say you want to keep her representation local but piss of saying a woman can't win and then say don't even try.
The Presidency is a bridge too far, though.
Ask yourself: why did Joe Biden, of all people, win, where Clinton and Harris didnt? It certainly wasn't because he had fewer "crappy policies" than they did.
America, as a whole, is simply too misogynistic to elect a woman as President right now but, they are at least self-aware to know they can't say that out loud. So we get excuses, instead, like "I don't like her laugh" or "I just don't agree with her".
My favorite was a dude who said "I can't vote for Harris, she reminds me too much of my ex-wife". At least he's honest.
I do think this is a huge factor. My lived experience backs this up and the fact that so many women and mostly girl children were abused by powerful men and there’s literally no consequences backs this up. This country has a very serious mysoginy problem and we still can’t even talk about it without having our experiences dismissed and discounted. It’s undeniable that our system enabled the abuse of those women and children from top to bottom and were still not even allowed to talk about that reality. There’s a reason why most women you know have had an experience of sexual violence and no men that most people know have ever had any consequences for this and every time women try to discuss this online the conversation devolves into whataboutism with guys crying and mobbing on women about some guy they know who falsely accused or some issue they had during a divorce that proves all women are liars. Anyway I know I’ll probably get downvoted because honesty on this stuff always does and I’ll vote for a woman for sure but failing to acknowledge the mysoginist problem this country has is a mistake. At the end of the day the real issue is will a candidate who is actually popular with the people be allowed to make it through the corrupt DNC’s primaries?
I agree it's definitely large factor but I argue that it's not insurmountable within my lifetime.
https://www.genderontheballot.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025-GOTB-Deck-c4_release.pdf
Sure, four out of ten know of someone that knows someone that expressed they would never vote for a woman president but at the same time 80 percent surveyed would be open to a women candidate.
Now it's not the time to shy away from having real competition for progressive women and minorities into government. If anything the days shows it's time to keep pushing and making progress.
Yeah, going to call bullshit again here.
Let's take a look at the 2016 election
Popular vote was 65 million Hillary to 62 million to Trump.
Let me repeat here, Hilary, the vaginal candidate, WON the popular vote.
She lost because she didn't listen to Sanders and other Democrats that told her don't do your quixotic Southern strategy and listen and talk to your disillusioned working class voters in the rust belt.
And because she's was a stubborn, neoliberal ass hat that thought she knew better, she lost the electorial college.
As for Harris, fuck, there's so many things she just did wrong along with Biden.
So again, with all due Internet respect, get out of here with your anti woman BS and America as a whole won't elect a woman. We just need a non-shitty neoliberal one.
Both she (and Harris) lost because their votes were not in the right zip codes. Biden got those votes. Biden was not a magically better candidate than either woman. There's only one explanation that makes any sense at all.
Some voters may not even be aware of it. They might not even realize they are giving male candidates the benefit of the doubt, while assuming the worst about female candidates.
Did anyone ever say they couldn't vote for Bill Clinton or GWB because they didn't like the way they laughed?
Okay, so let's get some data behind your Ludacris' Area Codes Theory of Misogynistic Voting caused the loss of the 2016 and 2024 elections then.
You're anecdotal evidence of some guy who said they would never vote for Hilary or that one guy who went and said they didn't like her laugh, the only thing that proves is that America has people that are misogynistic, which of course is true, but isn't proof of your premise that women can't win elections. I can point out people that said they wouldn't vote for her because Harris was black but that doesn't provide enough of a basis that she lost due to racism. Anecdotal stories does not equal causation.
Here's some more supporting evidence that Americans are becoming more open to women in office.
https://www.genderontheballot.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025-GOTB-Deck-c4_release.pdf
Some highlights because I'm sure you won't read:
So again data allows that women still have a hurdles but supports that a woman can win the presidency and I'll continue to vote for a qualified progressive women in the primaries to counter your misogynistic vote.
Sigh. Here's my data that proves that zip codes matter:
2020:
2024:
See the difference? It was only a handful of voters in certain states that did it. Why did they change? You can't really tell me there was any meaningful difference between the first election and the second one on a matter of policy.
Dude, you've shown that some counties that voted Biden flipped for Trump.
No one is disputing that.
Now show the evidence, e.g. exit polls, study, some form of empirical evidence that backs your claim that it was hated of women that caused these places to flip to support. You're still right at Charlie Kirk correlation equals causation territory. Again, I saw people say that they hated Harris for her being black and these electoral maps can easily prove my theory that racism was the main cause of why she didn't win via zip codes by your logic.
I can also point out that Dearborn Muslims, a crucial demographic to one of those flipped zip codes you croon about, voted Trump because they felt slighted by Harris and had a large abandon Harris movement and was one outsized factor of why she lost. That same place is also represented by Rashida Tlaib, vagina owner, would you still say that the movement and loss of support is due to hatred of vaginas?
As for your second point, my theory that's also backed up by exit polls, Harris followed the Biden plan and she was deaf, like with the example above, to the concerns of the voters and that was a bigger cause of her losing those state vs her having a labia. The people had four years of Biden, didn't like the economy even though he and his administration did a good job of avoid economic collapse due to Trump COVID stupidity, she wasn't listening to Americans daily economic concerns while she continued to talk about the economy in the abstract and she also walked away from her original plan of going after price gougers which is what people were actually resonating with and conceded that ground to VP couch fucker and his eggs prices. Also, Deerborn again for not fucking listening to your constituents and that not a simple hating clitorises was her downfall.
You offer no proof, no actual supporting data outside of your feels that misogyny was the leading cause of Hilary and Harris' election loss and this is not worth furthering this dead end debate on your feelings.
You are never going to get someone in an exit poll saying "I will never vote for a woman for President". So the exit polls will never tell the story. There will always be other reasons cited that don't tell the whole story. Maybe if the exit polls was in the bar next door, during Happy Hour, and we can get them sufficiently lubricated first, then you might get the true story.
I know it is convenient for me, because it means that I can ignore all data, because it is all flawed. But I still know I'm right.
Okay Charlie.
Because he was an already known name that evoked memories of better times. He was Obama's VP and people liked him in that position, that's why he won, it's very simple. Clinton wasn't VP, wasn't well liked, and was known to be an unreliable prospect. Harris was not known to the majority of people. Both Clinton and Harris had contentious campaign statements that worried and alienated a significant percentage of their potential voters. Harris, in addition, also was never voted for in a primary, she was simply assigned as Biden's heir and we were supposed to just run with that and be okay with it. She really never had a chance no matter who she was. Clinton was consistently cringey and reeks of moneyed interests, she was never an attractive option to democratic voters, and would never stand a snowball's chance in hell of converting any Republican voters like she seemingly wanted to because her husband was one of the favorite Republican whipping boys of all time. They all hate the Clintons, for poorly defined reasons.
Correct. She cannot win.
Your out of line....but your right