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Don't worry, it's definitely not genocide, China is just being a little 'authoritarian' towards the Uyghurs (lemmy.world)
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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Lmao at CCP apologists here. Just cut the noise of "he said, she said"-type of denunciation of sources because it's "Western" and use Occam's razor on this. Most people don't want to be bothered and to just get on with their lives. If the Uyghurs are indeed not being genocided, hundreds if not thousands of them would not bother to protest. Because if they aren't, they would prefer to simply get on with their own lives. There are too many complaints not to ignore if there is no genocide happening. If there's smoke, there's fire.

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

Lmao

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's only genocide if its from the Völkermord region in Germany. Otherwise it's just sparkling mass murder.

[–] Medic8teMe@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The sheer volume of actual Germans on Lemmy that believe this statement and will argue about it is shocking.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some weird guilt complex that still lingers on even though that generation will soon wither and die.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 day ago

I don't think the denazifiers realized they could denazify Germany so hard it would wrap around and back genocide as long as the perpetrators were Jewish.

[–] Kobibi@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A year or so ago, the new UK government sent a delegation to China to improve relations and shore up trade and investment deals, ignoring criticism from the left about Uyghur genocide

This is what the Tankies get fundamentally wrong about the modern world - the idea that anything anti-China is a smear to further Western Imperialism is a throwback to the cold war dichotomy of The West vs Communism.

In reality now, it's all about investment and global trade, neoliberal wealth generation over human rights. Of course propaganda is real and everywhere, but the framing of it all as West vs East is just incredibly outdated and oversimplified.

Downplaying or waving away mistreatment of the Uyghurs puts you on the same side as Western Governments, so dismissing the issue as Western Propaganda is fundamentally flawed

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, people heard their grandpa say racist/straight propaganda against a country they know in the modern day as useful and decide to go overboard protecting it as if every negative statement cant be trusted.
Its definitely not the same world anymore and protecting bad behavior of human treatment behind past victimhood does nothing to help. It just excuses away one more abuser who is trying to make a buck.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Fucking thank you. I see people railing against imperialism by describing the world through an entirely imperialistic mindset. They are so lost in the sauce they can't see straight.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Stop being racist against the Chinese you AmeriKKKan fascistic nazi! Go and read theory! /s

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Pretty sure if I criticized the CCP, the wumaos will call me a "汉奸" ("han traitor") despite me not having PRC Citizenship anymore (and I didn't even renounce it, they were the ones that revoked it 🤷‍♂️)

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The meme checks out: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-xinjiang . Birth rate was 1.588 in 2017 and at a similar level in the years before that, 1.069 in 2018, 0.814 in 2019 and so on.

Extra surveillance and repression reportedly started in 2014, mass incarceration in 2017.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

If you browse other regions of China there, in some (mainly the ones whose names I didn't recognize which I expect are the most provincial hence why I've never heard of them), you will find a fall in birth-rates from aproximatelly the same values to the same values (i.e. around 1.4 to around 0.6, for example https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-jiangxi and https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-shaanxi) but none but Xinjiang have that steep drop in 2017.

Something happenned in Xinjiang at around 2017 and for at least a couple of years that did not happen in the other regions of China.

We can't really deduce anything about what's still happenning there, either way, from that graphic.

EDIT: There is a response to this post where a link is provided to a report by a Think Tank created by and openly funded by the Australian Government (as shown right there: https://www.aspi.org.au/about-us/, second paragraph). The post were I pointed out that such a source has a conflict of interest, hence that report can't just be outright trusted, has been moderated away as "misinformation" even though my claim is proven by their own website. Feel free to draw your own conclusions as to why such a comment was removed by a moderation action backed by a false justification (as the page above proves), especially in light of the specific subject we're talking about here.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

There was also per county data available, showing a correlation between the size of the decline and the ethnic makeup of the county: "The largest declines have been in counties where Uyghurs and other indigenous communities are concentrated. Across counties that are majority-indigenous the birth-rate fell, on average, by 43.7 percent in a single year between 2017 and 2018. The birth-rate in counties with a 90 percent or greater indigenous population declined by 56.5 percent, on average, in that same year." https://www.aspi.org.au/report/family-deplanning-birthrates-xinjiang/

[–] discocactus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Idk, if you educate women the fertility rate usually drops, so it stands to reason if you reeducate them it'd drop even further...

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Not that quickly.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So they just built a lof of universities and accepted women free of charge. So generous! We should follow their example.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think it was a pun, pretending to confuse education with "re-education" by implying that re-education might have similar benefits to education (like upwards economic mobility) that would result in having fewer children, instead of the detrimental reasons reeducation would actually result in lower birthrates e.g. incarceration and other stresses.

[–] liuther9@feddit.nl 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No shit

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Congratulations, you understood it from the get-go. You're clearly not the target audience for the comment.

👏

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Do you brag about passing cognitive tests, too?

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not true, you're CIA, and even if it was true it would be a good thing.

You're CIA.

(/s obviously)

(You're CIA)

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

He's CIA, I backtracked his IP address.

Consequences will never be the same