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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

both are. have fun fighting eachother in the mud.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

All states are authoritarian, in that they are instruments by which one class oppresses the others. What this doesn't say anything about alone, though, is which class is in power. In the US Empire, the capitalists are in power, and use the authority of the state to crush workers when workers rise up. In the PRC, the working class is in power, and the state keeps capitalists in check and appropriates their capital gradually.

The only way out of authoritarian control by any class is to get rid of classes entirely, which requires full collectivization of production. China is actively building towards that, the US Empire is opposing it. Until we get to a classless society, it's better for the working class to be in charge.

In other words, class struggle will continue to exist even after the proletariat takes control. All of the tensions from class struggle continue to exist, only they are resolved in favor of the working class. This is what "authoritarianism" looks like, class conflict expressed in state response.

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[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 9 points 21 hours ago

liberals brain breaking

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